Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 17:15     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a story in the Daily Mail. I don't understand why this has not been more widely covered. It makes no difference if Browder is/was a crook. If he's telling the truth about Putin and his methods and motivations, then it makes Don Junior and Kushner look guiltier then ever of colluding with the Russians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736126/Russia-investor-tells-Senate-Putin-worth-200-BILLION.html


Since a deeply dishonest man in the UK's most shrill paper pushes a narrative we should suddenly believe an elaborate and evidence-free conspiracy theory? Yeah, no.


Thanks Vlad!
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 17:07     Subject: Re:The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Do people think that Trump is going to sign the new sanctions legislation or veto? To me, that will be the ultimate test of whether the Trump family colluded or if the Russians have something else on him.

If he vetoes against the overwhelming will of Congress and the intelligence community, Putin owns him.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 15:33     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
PP - no I was not, have never seen that show - and as you are entitled to your opinion, mine is that there is something behind the Russia connection with Trump -- enough to make him act like silly to get Putin's attention ... maybe it's just because the only people who would give Trump money at one point were the Russians (who had plenty to launder) ... and then again, we arrive full circle at an inappropriate reason for him wanting to deal with the Russians when it involves, say, our national security (rather than his bank balance) ...
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 15:20     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely willing to be skeptical but PP is right -- there are just WAY too many coincidences about hiding communications/meetings/contacts with Russian operatives as well as policy changes and other events favoring Russia that coincide with contacts. There is something to this story and the more Trump and his cohorts lie and scream about it, the worse it is getting for them.


Were you a fan of that old Leonard Nimoy TV show "In Search Of"? This whole business of "too many coincidences" has that whole vibe of, say, an investigation into the Bermuda Triangle.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 13:58     Subject: Re:The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I believe Browder's story about his dealings with Putin and the oligarchs. But I skimmed through his book earlier this summer, and the same thought kept occurring to me. He didn't have the success he had in Moscow without being thoroughly corrupt himself.

Both things can be true - that Putin is a murderous and election-meddling thug who should be stopped AND that Browder is seeking vengeance for having his lawyer/friend killed and his assets stolen. His book made clear that he is certainly an egomaniac.

Why do I think all this? Because I worked in Moscow throughout the 90s. By 1995 (a year before Browder ever showed up), you couldn't even sign a contract to buy candy without being pressured for serious kick-backs. I was asked to fold the cost of new Land Rovers into the contract and have them delivered to the decision-makers in the Russian organizations. Our proposals were disqualified based on technicalities because we hadn't paid the bribes. The big corporations all hired middlemen to handle all the corruption for them and then pay "commissions" for representational services.

I was just a small-time nothing who eventually had to leave because I wouldn't play by the new rules. So no way is Browder virtuous in all this.

All the same, I'm grateful he pushed for the Magnitsky Act. His massive ego has helped to raise awareness and maybe something will come of it.



Agreed, I think the situation is complicated. Browder lost millions and that would make any person pissed off. He was smart to go after the money.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 13:44     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely willing to be skeptical but PP is right -- there are just WAY too many coincidences about hiding communications/meetings/contacts with Russian operatives as well as policy changes and other events favoring Russia that coincide with contacts. There is something to this story and the more Trump and his cohorts lie and scream about it, the worse it is getting for them.


1000% agree

It's hilarious see posts by idiots trying to play this off. Way too many coincidences.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 13:34     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Absolutely willing to be skeptical but PP is right -- there are just WAY too many coincidences about hiding communications/meetings/contacts with Russian operatives as well as policy changes and other events favoring Russia that coincide with contacts. There is something to this story and the more Trump and his cohorts lie and scream about it, the worse it is getting for them.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 13:28     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
PP here---

And how could I forget---
the Comey firing
and this week's admission that Trump would not have chosen Jeff Sessions as AG is he had known Sessions would recuse on Russia

What is the president hiding?
We should have all known that something was very wrong when he refused to release the tax returns . . .
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 12:56     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
No elaborate fantasy.
That argument lost all persuasiveness after:

The lies Flynn told about his Russian contacts
The lies Sessions told about his Russian contacts
Jared's "back channel" request of Kisylak
Jared's misrepresentations/omissions on his security clearance disclosures.
Donald Trump Jr's admission re his meeting (along with Kushner and Manafort) with Russian lawyer extensively advocating for overturn of Magnitsky Act.
Donald Trump Jr's lack of full disclosure/misrepresentation about number and background of participants in that meeting.
Trump's firing of US Attorney Preet Bahara and subsequent DOJ settlement with Russian money launderers for peanuts
Trump's dismantling CIA program arming Syrian rebels, thus ceding Syria policy to Russia
Trump seeking in January a way to return seized Russian spy compounds back to Russia
Trump meeting alone in Oval Office with just Russian foreign minister, Russian ambassador and Russian (not US) press and disclosing previously classified information
Trump having undisclosed meeting at G-20 with Vladimir Putin with only Russian translator present

No, I don't think it is a fantasy anymore . . .
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 11:04     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Lots of suckers here on DCUM want to hide behind an elaborate fantasy where a fraudulent foreign leader is behind the USA's political problems. Hilariously, this conspiracy theory is mostly the work of the same insiders whose cluelessness produced the political breakdown that gave us Trump.

Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 10:44     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Trolls are very sensitive about reacting to this story. Why so anxious to squelch it? Too close to the truth about Putie?
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 10:29     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a story in the Daily Mail. I don't understand why this has not been more widely covered. It makes no difference if Browder is/was a crook. If he's telling the truth about Putin and his methods and motivations, then it makes Don Junior and Kushner look guiltier then ever of colluding with the Russians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736126/Russia-investor-tells-Senate-Putin-worth-200-BILLION.html


Since a deeply dishonest man in the UK's most shrill paper pushes a narrative we should suddenly believe an elaborate and evidence-free conspiracy theory? Yeah, no.


The Mail has been incredibly supportive of Trump's admin. So GTFOH.


Dumb yourself down, but realize some of us aren't so gullible.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 07:28     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's a story in the Daily Mail. I don't understand why this has not been more widely covered. It makes no difference if Browder is/was a crook. If he's telling the truth about Putin and his methods and motivations, then it makes Don Junior and Kushner look guiltier then ever of colluding with the Russians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736126/Russia-investor-tells-Senate-Putin-worth-200-BILLION.html


Since a deeply dishonest man in the UK's most shrill paper pushes a narrative we should suddenly believe an elaborate and evidence-free conspiracy theory? Yeah, no.


The Mail has been incredibly supportive of Trump's admin. So GTFOH.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2017 07:07     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Anonymous wrote:Here's a story in the Daily Mail. I don't understand why this has not been more widely covered. It makes no difference if Browder is/was a crook. If he's telling the truth about Putin and his methods and motivations, then it makes Don Junior and Kushner look guiltier then ever of colluding with the Russians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736126/Russia-investor-tells-Senate-Putin-worth-200-BILLION.html


Since a deeply dishonest man in the UK's most shrill paper pushes a narrative we should suddenly believe an elaborate and evidence-free conspiracy theory? Yeah, no.
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2017 23:12     Subject: The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election
Here's a story in the Daily Mail. I don't understand why this has not been more widely covered. It makes no difference if Browder is/was a crook. If he's telling the truth about Putin and his methods and motivations, then it makes Don Junior and Kushner look guiltier then ever of colluding with the Russians.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4736126/Russia-investor-tells-Senate-Putin-worth-200-BILLION.html