It sounds like the pretax amount would have been about $48. I would have left $10, because what you described was pretty great service. Otherwise I would have been comfortable leaving $7 if the server didn’t go out of their way for me.

Anonymous wrote:I'd put down money that everyone on this thread who tips poorly also thinks we shouldn't raise the minimum wage.

To answer the question, I would have left $11 at least. I usually tip 20% and round up to the nearest dollar.

Exactly.

I'd put down money that everyone on this thread who tips poorly also thinks we shouldn't raise the minimum wage.

To answer the question, I would have left $11 at least. I usually tip 20% and round up to the nearest dollar.

fear not. according to USA today 15% is still the norm.
and pre tax....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/06/14/much-tip-depends/71137254/

I generally tip 15% on post tax which ends up being a bit more than 15% pretax.

I agree, we need to get out of this tipping, and seeing tip jars at counter service places, is f-ing ridiculous...as is the whole "pay it forward" crap....

on the OP. $43 bucks pretax bill would have been 8.70 for 20% 15% is 6.45 If service was ok, I would have left it a 7 bucks and not

as the price of food/drinks have increased ergo the wages of the servers have also increased. higher food prices means more money in the tip jar. Provided people tip the same amount.

Oh and never piss off your server or you'll end up with special sauce on your hotdog...

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

I understand your point, but it's the waitstaff that you're hurting...not the restaurant that gets away with paying less. If you don't like tipping, don't go out to eat.

+1. There's nothing noble about being a cheapskate. I'm guessing PP never worked in a service job. The system does suck, but it's not the waitstaff' fault.

You're right. But it's not the customer's fault either. Why should the customer bear the brunt of the bad system? I personally tip well to wait staff, and mani/pedi but don't tip well or at all in other places where I think it's ridiculous to tip like counter service. To me, it's just getting out of control.

Then vote with your wallet and don't eat out at all. Seriously how do you sleep at night?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

As long as you are aware you are cheap and stiffing someone making about 3.00 or 4.00 an hour.

This.

The restaurant lobby is very strong and has worked to avoid doing away with tipping. If anything, they agitate to keep it in place, because guess what? Depending on the restaurant you visit, your server may be taking money from *their* tips and "tipping out" several of their coworkers: the bartender, the barback (the person who keeps the bar stocked during service), the busboy, the food runner - I've even worked at places where you're expected to tip out the hostess and the dishwasher! The amounts are generally based on a percentage of your sales, but sometimes you pay a flat rate.

This works great for the business owner - they get away for paying people the bare minimum whose wages are then supplemented by people living on tips, dependent upon the generosity and *awareness* of the guests. It's ridiculous. And before you ask, yes, this practice is illegal - but it happens everywhere!

-former server who worked at a number of well known Washington-area restaurants, including Fiola, Bibiana, Praline, and Belga Cafe

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Anonymous wrote:I bet your cheap friend was also the one in the group who made the most money.

And drank the most wine and ate the most off the small plates. And suggested the place to begin with.

And voted for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

Agree with 'this. The tipping culture is a big hit to the pocket for families wanting to eat out. I cap it at 15%. Refilling water and talking nice doesn't entail a tip. It's your job. People in several professions work thrice as hard with no tips and minimum wage. This is an easier job, in comparison.

Wow you are a terrrible person.

+1

Don't eat out if you're that cheap.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

I understand your point, but it's the waitstaff that you're hurting...not the restaurant that gets away with paying less. If you don't like tipping, don't go out to eat.

+1. There's nothing noble about being a cheapskate. I'm guessing PP never worked in a service job. The system does suck, but it's not the waitstaff' fault.

You're right. But it's not the customer's fault either. Why should the customer bear the brunt of the bad system? I personally tip well to wait staff, and mani/pedi but don't tip well or at all in other places where I think it's ridiculous to tip like counter service. To me, it's just getting out of control.

I hope all the cheapskate tippers are not returning to the same restaurant. The staff is probably spitting in your food.

13-14$.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

Agree with 'this. The tipping culture is a big hit to the pocket for families wanting to eat out. I cap it at 15%. Refilling water and talking nice doesn't entail a tip. It's your job. People in several professions work thrice as hard with no tips and minimum wage. This is an easier job, in comparison.

Wow you are a terrrible person.

Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

Agree with 'this. The tipping culture is a big hit to the pocket for families wanting to eat out. I cap it at 15%. Refilling water and talking nice doesn't entail a tip. It's your job. People in several professions work thrice as hard with no tips and minimum wage. This is an easier job, in comparison.

That the person is making 3/4 a hour is not my problem. It's between him/her and the employer. The employer is taking advantage of the employee. Not me. I'm willing to pay a tip in America because of the stupidity of allowing servers to make below the minimum wage but I won't go above 15% unless it truly was a wonderful service/experience.

There are millions of people making minimum wage in jobs where they stand on their feet all day too. Do they get tips? No.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

As long as you are aware you are cheap and stiffing someone making about 3.00 or 4.00 an hour.

Anonymous wrote:I'd have left 61 or 62 total. That's 15% and that is what I grew up with and that's fair to me. I refuse to get suckered into the higher tip percentages. The food and drinks are also a lot more expensive than they were years ago so don't give me that crap about cost of living justifying paying 20 or 25% tips over 15% tips.

They should get rid of tipping completely. Just pay the staff a standard wage. We now live overseas where there is a minimal tip culture and if one does exist it's around 5% or rounding off the bill and no one bats an eye.

As long as you are aware you are cheap and stiffing someone making about 3.00 or 4.00 an hour.