in th golden age of Islam in Andalusia 7th to 14th century, the Christians and Jews and Muslims lived in harmony -- no need to convert.

That changed when the CHristians took over

Anonymous wrote:Religion is not the problem, intolerance is.

In medieval times, the Inquisition made Catholicism an extreme and intolerant way of life, while the Arab world flourished in the arts, medicine and sciences because Islam was a tolerant and unifying force.

Now things are reversed, but it should teach us that rejection of others and refusal to accept progress and science are ALWAYS a recipe for disaster.

In medieval times, the Inquisition made Catholicism an extreme and intolerant way of life, while the Arab world flourished in the arts, medicine and sciences because Islam was a tolerant and unifying force.

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The facts say otherwise.

How "tolerant" is: You Jews and Christians can convert or become our dhimmi; you Pagans, Buddhists, and Hindus can convert or die.

If that's news to you, you're getting the "sunshine and bunnies" version of Islam. Unpleasant facts omitted to secure your approval.

The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise, Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain, Dario Fernandez-Morera,
Associate Professor in the Department of Spanish and Portugese at Northwestern University, c 2016

and

The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam From Jihad to Dhimmitude, Bat Ye'or with a foreword by Jacques Ellul c 1996.


There is an entire industry devoted to apologizing for Islam, contrary historical fact be damned. Thousands of under-informed people buy the misinformation while remaining resolutely resistant to contrary facts.

By the way, Mecca before the Prophet was a caravan and pilgrimmage town (they were polytheistic, they attracted pilgrims) but they were not the intellectual center Damascus, Baghdad and Persia were.

The timeline was: first the Islamic conquests. {Then} the Golden Age. Syria, Egypt, North Africa, Iraq, Iran...India...etc.

The "Golden Age of Islam" happened due to conquered scholars who were given the choice: dhimmitude and we take credit for your work or death.


Hey Mr. Administrator: do historical facts matter to you or do you summarily delete anything that you, from your apologism, disagree with?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this. I'm Christian and would kill to have some Christian friends - and simply to be around people who don't bash me for living my life in a certain manner.

The US isn't as religious as you think.

Where do you live? Location seems to be a big factor.

And maybe perhaps the denomination. Regional differences there as well.

Good point. I live in the south, but I'm Episcopalian - although too young and conservative for them. Too educated for the local Baptists, so I usually run into the college-educated atheists who can't understand why I'm faithful to my husband and don't drink much. Believe it or not, it's seriously isolating.

Hmmm.

I'm former Methodist, and hung around with evangelicals in college. Plus I truly believe being drunk is a sin. All those things added together...I just don't drink a lot. I certainly don't party or do the bar scene.

And yeah - I get bullied about it. Called names. It's my greatest fear from college (you aren't cool if you aren't drunk) except I'm in my mid-thirties now...

well that explains it Seriously, I was thinking a whiskey or two at an Episcopalian social function, not getting drunk at a bar (Im not Christian, but have found Episcopal social functions pleasantly "chill")

I do like a glass of wine, but with a deployed husband, my DD options and therefore drinking outside of the house are limited.

But oddly, it seems like a lot of people I run into (potential friends) are still into the bar scene.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ Giving this some more thought, I should have said that if your understanding of the authorship of the Bible is so misinformed as you've presented it to be, perhaps your understanding of the content that you object to is similarly misinformed and your unbelief isn't as well-grounded as you think it is.

No one knows who the many people were who wrote the Bible, but we do kno there were a lot of goat herders around in those days.

DP

Translation: Don't bore me with your facts. I'm a bigot and a troll, therefore I'm wedded to my own alternative facts. *Puts hands over ears and refuses to read more than a sentence or two of 21:55).

And you will know they are Christian by their love

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this. I'm Christian and would kill to have some Christian friends - and simply to be around people who don't bash me for living my life in a certain manner.

The US isn't as religious as you think.

Where do you live? Location seems to be a big factor.

And maybe perhaps the denomination. Regional differences there as well.

Good point. I live in the south, but I'm Episcopalian - although too young and conservative for them. Too educated for the local Baptists, so I usually run into the college-educated atheists who can't understand why I'm faithful to my husband and don't drink much. Believe it or not, it's seriously isolating.

Hmmm.

I'm former Methodist, and hung around with evangelicals in college. Plus I truly believe being drunk is a sin. All those things added together...I just don't drink a lot. I certainly don't party or do the bar scene.

And yeah - I get bullied about it. Called names. It's my greatest fear from college (you aren't cool if you aren't drunk) except I'm in my mid-thirties now...

well that explains it Seriously, I was thinking a whiskey or two at an Episcopalian social function, not getting drunk at a bar (Im not Christian, but have found Episcopal social functions pleasantly "chill")

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ Giving this some more thought, I should have said that if your understanding of the authorship of the Bible is so misinformed as you've presented it to be, perhaps your understanding of the content that you object to is similarly misinformed and your unbelief isn't as well-grounded as you think it is.

No one knows who the many people were who wrote the Bible, but we do kno there were a lot of goat herders around in those days.

Might I suggest - https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Elliott-Friedman-published-HarperCollins/dp/B00EKYJNS2/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S8HANFD6X425TNV41Y9Z

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this. I'm Christian and would kill to have some Christian friends - and simply to be around people who don't bash me for living my life in a certain manner.

The US isn't as religious as you think.

Where do you live? Location seems to be a big factor.

And maybe perhaps the denomination. Regional differences there as well.

Good point. I live in the south, but I'm Episcopalian - although too young and conservative for them. Too educated for the local Baptists, so I usually run into the college-educated atheists who can't understand why I'm faithful to my husband and don't drink much. Believe it or not, it's seriously isolating.

Hmmm.

I'm former Methodist, and hung around with evangelicals in college. Plus I truly believe being drunk is a sin. All those things added together...I just don't drink a lot. I certainly don't party or do the bar scene.

And yeah - I get bullied about it. Called names. It's my greatest fear from college (you aren't cool if you aren't drunk) except I'm in my mid-thirties now...

Take heart in 1 Peter 4:1-5: "Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready lto judge the living and the dead."

Do you not have a good church to go to? When I became a Christian and started attending church regularly, I made a lot of good Christian friends who have been really helpful to me to live the life I want to live.

I do love our church, but it's an older crowd. They aren't in the trenches of full time work and childcare issues.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this. I'm Christian and would kill to have some Christian friends - and simply to be around people who don't bash me for living my life in a certain manner.

The US isn't as religious as you think.

Where do you live? Location seems to be a big factor.

And maybe perhaps the denomination. Regional differences there as well.

Good point. I live in the south, but I'm Episcopalian - although too young and conservative for them. Too educated for the local Baptists, so I usually run into the college-educated atheists who can't understand why I'm faithful to my husband and don't drink much. Believe it or not, it's seriously isolating.

Hmmm.

I'm former Methodist, and hung around with evangelicals in college. Plus I truly believe being drunk is a sin. All those things added together...I just don't drink a lot. I certainly don't party or do the bar scene.

And yeah - I get bullied about it. Called names. It's my greatest fear from college (you aren't cool if you aren't drunk) except I'm in my mid-thirties now...

Take heart in 1 Peter 4:1-5: "Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready lto judge the living and the dead."

Do you not have a good church to go to? When I became a Christian and started attending church regularly, I made a lot of good Christian friends who have been really helpful to me to live the life I want to live.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this. I'm Christian and would kill to have some Christian friends - and simply to be around people who don't bash me for living my life in a certain manner.

The US isn't as religious as you think.

Where do you live? Location seems to be a big factor.

And maybe perhaps the denomination. Regional differences there as well.

Good point. I live in the south, but I'm Episcopalian - although too young and conservative for them. Too educated for the local Baptists, so I usually run into the college-educated atheists who can't understand why I'm faithful to my husband and don't drink much. Believe it or not, it's seriously isolating.

Hmmm.

I'm former Methodist, and hung around with evangelicals in college. Plus I truly believe being drunk is a sin. All those things added together...I just don't drink a lot. I certainly don't party or do the bar scene.

And yeah - I get bullied about it. Called names. It's my greatest fear from college (you aren't cool if you aren't drunk) except I'm in my mid-thirties now...

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Anonymous wrote:^^^^ Giving this some more thought, I should have said that if your understanding of the authorship of the Bible is so misinformed as you've presented it to be, perhaps your understanding of the content that you object to is similarly misinformed and your unbelief isn't as well-grounded as you think it is.

No one knows who the many people were who wrote the Bible, but we do kno there were a lot of goat herders around in those days.

DP

Translation: Don't bore me with your facts. I'm a bigot and a troll, therefore I'm wedded to my own alternative facts. *Puts hands over ears and refuses to read more than a sentence or two of 21:55).