Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 17:04     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here thank you all for your fascinating and educated responses. I asked upthread if anyone voted for trump to expose dysfunction but nobody really answered the question outright. However both sides have put forth great opinions and it really helps to further the discussion of how we fix this.

Bring back the fairness doctrine is almost consensus.
OP here and I noticed that. Personally I think getting big money out of the theater would be a helpful but I also realize that is a very broad dinosaur type statement to make.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 17:01     Subject: Re:No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When Reagan did away with the Fairness Doctrine. This gave birth to Fox, a right wing propaganda network. The people are misinformed and tricked on Fox and don't know fact from fiction.


And MSNBC and CNN don't misinform those who don't follow your vision lock, stock and barrel? Please, people migrate to the news source that best supports their viewpoints. You are not different in your selection of MSNBC. GTFU.



No, not in the same way or for the same purpose as Fox. Although MSNBC would be against the Fairness Doctrine as well. CNN was created to be unbiased world news and they could go back to that.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 16:34     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:OP here thank you all for your fascinating and educated responses. I asked upthread if anyone voted for trump to expose dysfunction but nobody really answered the question outright. However both sides have put forth great opinions and it really helps to further the discussion of how we fix this.

Bring back the fairness doctrine is almost consensus.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 16:16     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
OP here thank you all for your fascinating and educated responses. I asked upthread if anyone voted for trump to expose dysfunction but nobody really answered the question outright. However both sides have put forth great opinions and it really helps to further the discussion of how we fix this.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 15:13     Subject: Re:No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When Reagan did away with the Fairness Doctrine. This gave birth to Fox, a right wing propaganda network. The people are misinformed and tricked on Fox and don't know fact from fiction.


And MSNBC and CNN don't misinform those who don't follow your vision lock, stock and barrel? Please, people migrate to the news source that best supports their viewpoints. You are not different in your selection of MSNBC. GTFU.

NP. Conservatives - such as yourself - frequently fall back on the fallacious assumption that because they consume only propaganda and do so without critical thought, everyone else must, too. I don't watch cable news. When breaking news confirms what I already believe, I try to find it in other places. When someone tells me that one of my sources is bad spin, I try to think about it.

And ftr, neither CNN nor MSNBC remotely approaches the ideological purity that Fox does. Not even a little bit.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 14:18     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: I'm a democrat but feel like the lack of inherent respect for the office of President started with W.

That's when we started painting each other with extreme brushes. So honestly probably 9/11


Naw, they tried to impeach Clinton before that. I know solid Dems BTW who expressed a lack of respect for Clinton due to his behavior in office. I remember one of my Lib friends saying "how am I going to explain this to my daughter?"


Jason Chaffetz seems to have figured out how:
Chaffetz decides looking his teenage daughter in the eye isn't as important as Trump, apparently (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/27/1587469/-Chaffetz-decides-looking-his-teenage-daughter-in-the-eye-isn-t-as-important-as-Trump-apparently)
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 14:07     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: I'm a democrat but feel like the lack of inherent respect for the office of President started with W.

That's when we started painting each other with extreme brushes. So honestly probably 9/11


Naw, they tried to impeach Clinton before that. I know solid Dems BTW who expressed a lack of respect for Clinton due to his behavior in office. I remember one of my Lib friends saying "how am I going to explain this to my daughter?"


Not for nothing, but it kind of was a "big effing deal".
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 14:03     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Was it with Nixon? Jimmy Carter? Trickle Down Economics? The New Deal under FDR? Hillary, Bill, W, James Madison?

This is a great question My memory is the hatred for Bill Clinton right out of the box, maybe because of don't ask, don't tell. But the right had genuine hatred there - Richard Vugurie and the direct mail campaigns against him. That's when it started in my recollection.

A lot of it was specifically directed at Hillary. She was the first First Lady to hold an advanced degree and have a successful career of her own, and she openly bristled at playing the traditional role of FLOTUS.

I grew up in the Midwest, and she was the constant butt of misogynistic jokes. I remember bumper stickers like, "I can't stand the President...and her husband" (or something like that). She was reviled. And while she had some rough corners, the only tangible reason was the fact that she subverted gender expectations.

You can't have serious conversations about how the decline of the primacy of white, males in society is what has opened up so many rifts in America since we haven't really addressed the fallout in a meaningful way, but Occam's Razor applied to historical events would make this the most obvious explanation.


Maybe, but I formed a very negative impression of her early on when she fired the White House travel staff. They were non-partisan and didn't do anything wrong to be put out on the street. She said she didn't have anything to do with it. Then the secrecy with her West Wing working group on healthcare. Sorry - I was open minded on her but I think the lying and penchant for secrecy gave her a bad reputation that has persisted ever since.


Do you have a similar issue with the secret Senate working group on healthcare right now?


Are the secret Senate working group elected officials??
Hillary was not elected to anything (although apparently she thought she was), see the difference?
Although Hillary did claim she was experienced in part because of those phone calls at 3 a.m. were for her, right?
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 13:43     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Was it with Nixon? Jimmy Carter? Trickle Down Economics? The New Deal under FDR? Hillary, Bill, W, James Madison?

This is a great question My memory is the hatred for Bill Clinton right out of the box, maybe because of don't ask, don't tell. But the right had genuine hatred there - Richard Vugurie and the direct mail campaigns against him. That's when it started in my recollection.

A lot of it was specifically directed at Hillary. She was the first First Lady to hold an advanced degree and have a successful career of her own, and she openly bristled at playing the traditional role of FLOTUS.

I grew up in the Midwest, and she was the constant butt of misogynistic jokes. I remember bumper stickers like, "I can't stand the President...and her husband" (or something like that). She was reviled. And while she had some rough corners, the only tangible reason was the fact that she subverted gender expectations.

You can't have serious conversations about how the decline of the primacy of white, males in society is what has opened up so many rifts in America since we haven't really addressed the fallout in a meaningful way, but Occam's Razor applied to historical events would make this the most obvious explanation.


Maybe, but I formed a very negative impression of her early on when she fired the White House travel staff. They were non-partisan and didn't do anything wrong to be put out on the street. She said she didn't have anything to do with it. Then the secrecy with her West Wing working group on healthcare. Sorry - I was open minded on her but I think the lying and penchant for secrecy gave her a bad reputation that has persisted ever since.


Do you have a similar issue with the secret Senate working group on healthcare right now?


You mean like the secret Senate did when Pelosi rammed Obamacare down our throats? "We have to pass so you can see what's in it?"
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 13:42     Subject: Re:No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:When Reagan did away with the Fairness Doctrine. This gave birth to Fox, a right wing propaganda network. The people are misinformed and tricked on Fox and don't know fact from fiction.


And MSNBC and CNN don't misinform those who don't follow your vision lock, stock and barrel? Please, people migrate to the news source that best supports their viewpoints. You are not different in your selection of MSNBC. GTFU.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 13:29     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Our government is dysfunctional where it comes to the will of the American people. Instead of listening to the people, it only listens to the oligarchs. This has been quantified and proven by academics who studied alignment of legislation to the interests of the wealthy.

https://mic.com/articles/87719/princeton-concludes-what-kind-of-government-america-really-has-and-it-s-not-a-democracy#.GSyW0YygD
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 13:27     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Was it with Nixon? Jimmy Carter? Trickle Down Economics? The New Deal under FDR? Hillary, Bill, W, James Madison?


[url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/22/mf.campaign.slurs.slogans/
[/url]

According to this article, even some of the Founding Fathers had nasty things to say and write about each other.

So perhaps the current times are no different than the past -- except now we have the internet, through which slurs and insults richochet throughout country at light-speed.





Burr-Hamilton, anybody?
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 13:26     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Was it with Nixon? Jimmy Carter? Trickle Down Economics? The New Deal under FDR? Hillary, Bill, W, James Madison?

This is a great question My memory is the hatred for Bill Clinton right out of the box, maybe because of don't ask, don't tell. But the right had genuine hatred there - Richard Vugurie and the direct mail campaigns against him. That's when it started in my recollection.

A lot of it was specifically directed at Hillary. She was the first First Lady to hold an advanced degree and have a successful career of her own, and she openly bristled at playing the traditional role of FLOTUS.

I grew up in the Midwest, and she was the constant butt of misogynistic jokes. I remember bumper stickers like, "I can't stand the President...and her husband" (or something like that). She was reviled. And while she had some rough corners, the only tangible reason was the fact that she subverted gender expectations.

You can't have serious conversations about how the decline of the primacy of white, males in society is what has opened up so many rifts in America since we haven't really addressed the fallout in a meaningful way, but Occam's Razor applied to historical events would make this the most obvious explanation.


Maybe, but I formed a very negative impression of her early on when she fired the White House travel staff. They were non-partisan and didn't do anything wrong to be put out on the street. She said she didn't have anything to do with it. Then the secrecy with her West Wing working group on healthcare. Sorry - I was open minded on her but I think the lying and penchant for secrecy gave her a bad reputation that has persisted ever since.


Do you have a similar issue with the secret Senate working group on healthcare right now?
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 12:19     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote:Was it with Nixon? Jimmy Carter? Trickle Down Economics? The New Deal under FDR? Hillary, Bill, W, James Madison?


[url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/22/mf.campaign.slurs.slogans/
[/url]

According to this article, even some of the Founding Fathers had nasty things to say and write about each other.

So perhaps the current times are no different than the past -- except now we have the internet, through which slurs and insults richochet throughout country at light-speed.



Anonymous
Post 06/11/2017 12:16     Subject: No Matter Who You Are Tell Me When You Think Our Current Form of Government Became Dysfunctional?
Anonymous wrote: I'm a democrat but feel like the lack of inherent respect for the office of President started with W.

That's when we started painting each other with extreme brushes. So honestly probably 9/11


Naw, they tried to impeach Clinton before that. I know solid Dems BTW who expressed a lack of respect for Clinton due to his behavior in office. I remember one of my Lib friends saying "how am I going to explain this to my daughter?"