Anonymous wrote:I was once told of that you simply can't go wrong with any school in APS. Seems right to me. So glad we're not in FCPS.

LOL. Did Coach Murphy put you up to that?

I was once told of that you simply can't go wrong with any school in APS. Seems right to me. So glad we're not in FCPS.

You can get to the video through here. https://www.apsva.us/post/update-next-steps-enrollment-transfer-work-session/

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He also made the very valid point that busing kids would be very harmful for lower income families, members of which (i.e. parents) may not be easily able to get across town for school events (back to school night, music concerts, sporting events).

You have to be very careful that the call for diversity and "social justice" not be something privileged white people demand. Minority communities like their neighborhood schools just fine too.

Agreed. He's not my favorite, but I don't think he's the worst of the bunch. That title is proudly held by Van Doren.

Listening to the SB work session last night is painful. She says she hears the group going in one direction, but she's clearly trying to steamroll Tania and Barbara.

She is like a bulldozer and already tried to put the fear of God into Tania about how she needs to toe the line. I think Tania's biding time and getting the lay of the land before she makes any moves. But Van Doren has and deserves a target on her back.

Is there a link for the work session?

Anonymous wrote:At the elementary level there is absolutely a desire within many minority communities to have their kids close by and to be able to have the school in their community. Obviously not everyone feeels this way but I have been at community organizing meetings where this has been discussed by minorities (not white ladies). Can't speak to middle and high school levels. I did have a conversation with a woman from nay just who was among the first kids bussed to Yorktown. They did not like it but obviously that was a different time.

What really needs to happen in Arlington is for there to be more diversity in housing choices in North Arlington and less apartments in South Arlington.

Pp. that should have said "Nauck."

At the elementary level there is absolutely a desire within many minority communities to have their kids close by and to be able to have the school in their community. Obviously not everyone feeels this way but I have been at community organizing meetings where this has been discussed by minorities (not white ladies). Can't speak to middle and high school levels. I did have a conversation with a woman from nay just who was among the first kids bussed to Yorktown. They did not like it but obviously that was a different time.

^^right.

Well, that makes it so much more convenient for people to make the argument that the poor people want to stay together. Make Yorktown seem as uninviting as possible and then just shrug it off.
Everybody just cherishes walkability and being comfortable around their own kind. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:We have to get them out. Lander is a good place to start. He seems very nice, but he isn't interested in being very honest about our predicament. He has also said some really silly things regarding poverty and Farms students.
Maura is a nice combination of kindness and sensibility.

What I was saying about the whites who want to get rid of the poors coming out to support Maura (b/c opposition to Lander).

Lander is the one who insisted that race and SES don't matter because all APS schools are good, then voted for Option 4. So I wouldn't count him as an ally in the fight for social justice and quality public education for all.

He also made the very valid point that busing kids would be very harmful for lower income families, members of which (i.e. parents) may not be easily able to get across town for school events (back to school night, music concerts, sporting events).

You have to be very careful that the call for diversity and "social justice" not be something privileged white people demand. Minority communities like their neighborhood schools just fine too.

The experience in DC, with black OOB families trying very hard to get their kids into Wilson, suggests otherwise.

Murphy has perpetuated the current inequalities within APS but his downfall is that he's disappointed the privileged within APS as well.

I don't think DC schools are comparable to Arlington, so I don't think your Wilson analogy really applies. Plus, there's Metro in DC. You cannot take Metro from Four Mile Run to Yorktown.

Goodness! We can't have kids from FOUR MILE RUN polluting Yorktown!

Jesus Christ, you wench. This is in the context of the difficulty of PARENTS who live in the Four Mile Run area getting to Yorktown in a busing scenario.

Different wench here. The students from Four Mile Run are already bused to W-L. The families in this area largely prefer this to attending Wakefield. It's not as simple as which school is closer and wanting to be able to walk to school or to events. Everyone, regardless of background, wants their children to be in a school where they feel their student will receive the best possible education, and where they feel they will be safe and welcome. I am not intimately familiar with the culture of Yorktown, but it is widely rumored to be hostile toward minority students, particularly if they are low-income. Again, I suspect this is more rumor than truth, but that is what these families believe. They feel like W-L is a better school than Wakefield, but Wakefield is a safer school than Yorktown for their children (so they would pick W-L first, and if they had to choose between Wakefield and Yorktown, they would likely choose Wakefield out of fear). Also, during the boundary process I heard an awful lot of middle class white women talking about what the Four Mile Run community wants (to walk to school). I did NOT hear members of that community saying the same things. So unless there was some secret meeting in which this sentiment was expressly communicated, we're all just speculating. The people who seemed to be pushing this idea of Four Mile run families wanting to walk were the mothers living in other W-L planning units that were on the chopping block. I'm not saying walkability isn't a factor to consider. It's just not the only factor.

In short, it's not so simple. My take is that many parents would prioritize attending a "better" school over a closer school, but not at the risk of their student's safety and/or well-being.

I talked with a couple non-white parents at an Arlington Tech info session and that's what I heard from them. They were zoned Yorktown but absolutely did not want their kids going there and planned to apply to Tech and W-L IB and Wakefield AP program and then decide based on what they got into.

Anonymous wrote:So to answer the original question, a large burlap bag and a bunch of rocks? Or just drive him out to the country and hope he takes up residence in an abandoned barn?

And to the thread drift -- Aren't kids in Four Mile Run walking distance to Wakefield? I didn't think anyone was talking about moving them.

There was thread drift because replacing SB Memebers is the only likely scenario to get rid of Murphy. Of course I assume he will jump ship as soon as it's clear we have more students than space and people wake up to what that is going to entail.

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Anonymous wrote:We have to get them out. Lander is a good place to start. He seems very nice, but he isn't interested in being very honest about our predicament. He has also said some really silly things regarding poverty and Farms students.
Maura is a nice combination of kindness and sensibility.

What I was saying about the whites who want to get rid of the poors coming out to support Maura (b/c opposition to Lander).

Lander is the one who insisted that race and SES don't matter because all APS schools are good, then voted for Option 4. So I wouldn't count him as an ally in the fight for social justice and quality public education for all.

He also made the very valid point that busing kids would be very harmful for lower income families, members of which (i.e. parents) may not be easily able to get across town for school events (back to school night, music concerts, sporting events).

You have to be very careful that the call for diversity and "social justice" not be something privileged white people demand. Minority communities like their neighborhood schools just fine too.

The experience in DC, with black OOB families trying very hard to get their kids into Wilson, suggests otherwise.

Murphy has perpetuated the current inequalities within APS but his downfall is that he's disappointed the privileged within APS as well.

I don't think DC schools are comparable to Arlington, so I don't think your Wilson analogy really applies. Plus, there's Metro in DC. You cannot take Metro from Four Mile Run to Yorktown.

Goodness! We can't have kids from FOUR MILE RUN polluting Yorktown!

Jesus Christ, you wench. This is in the context of the difficulty of PARENTS who live in the Four Mile Run area getting to Yorktown in a busing scenario.

Different wench here. The students from Four Mile Run are already bused to W-L. The families in this area largely prefer this to attending Wakefield. It's not as simple as which school is closer and wanting to be able to walk to school or to events. Everyone, regardless of background, wants their children to be in a school where they feel their student will receive the best possible education, and where they feel they will be safe and welcome. I am not intimately familiar with the culture of Yorktown, but it is widely rumored to be hostile toward minority students, particularly if they are low-income. Again, I suspect this is more rumor than truth, but that is what these families believe. They feel like W-L is a better school than Wakefield, but Wakefield is a safer school than Yorktown for their children (so they would pick W-L first, and if they had to choose between Wakefield and Yorktown, they would likely choose Wakefield out of fear). Also, during the boundary process I heard an awful lot of middle class white women talking about what the Four Mile Run community wants (to walk to school). I did NOT hear members of that community saying the same things. So unless there was some secret meeting in which this sentiment was expressly communicated, we're all just speculating. The people who seemed to be pushing this idea of Four Mile run families wanting to walk were the mothers living in other W-L planning units that were on the chopping block. I'm not saying walkability isn't a factor to consider. It's just not the only factor.

In short, it's not so simple. My take is that many parents would prioritize attending a "better" school over a closer school, but not at the risk of their student's safety and/or well-being.

So to answer the original question, a large burlap bag and a bunch of rocks? Or just drive him out to the country and hope he takes up residence in an abandoned barn?

And to the thread drift -- Aren't kids in Four Mile Run walking distance to Wakefield? I didn't think anyone was talking about moving them.

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Anonymous wrote:We have to get them out. Lander is a good place to start. He seems very nice, but he isn't interested in being very honest about our predicament. He has also said some really silly things regarding poverty and Farms students.
Maura is a nice combination of kindness and sensibility.

What I was saying about the whites who want to get rid of the poors coming out to support Maura (b/c opposition to Lander).

Lander is the one who insisted that race and SES don't matter because all APS schools are good, then voted for Option 4. So I wouldn't count him as an ally in the fight for social justice and quality public education for all.

He also made the very valid point that busing kids would be very harmful for lower income families, members of which (i.e. parents) may not be easily able to get across town for school events (back to school night, music concerts, sporting events).

You have to be very careful that the call for diversity and "social justice" not be something privileged white people demand. Minority communities like their neighborhood schools just fine too.

The experience in DC, with black OOB families trying very hard to get their kids into Wilson, suggests otherwise.

Murphy has perpetuated the current inequalities within APS but his downfall is that he's disappointed the privileged within APS as well.

I don't think DC schools are comparable to Arlington, so I don't think your Wilson analogy really applies. Plus, there's Metro in DC. You cannot take Metro from Four Mile Run to Yorktown.

Goodness! We can't have kids from FOUR MILE RUN polluting Yorktown!

Jesus Christ, you wench. This is in the context of the difficulty of PARENTS who live in the Four Mile Run area getting to Yorktown in a busing scenario.

How about we give them the option, instead of having a bunch of privileged white people tell the brown people what is best for them.

Last time I checked, Mr. Lander was brown. This was his point. Please try to keep up.

the fact that you consider his race to be the driving factor in his thought process and decision making, tells me all I need to know about you.

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He also made the very valid point that busing kids would be very harmful for lower income families, members of which (i.e. parents) may not be easily able to get across town for school events (back to school night, music concerts, sporting events).

You have to be very careful that the call for diversity and "social justice" not be something privileged white people demand. Minority communities like their neighborhood schools just fine too.

Agreed. He's not my favorite, but I don't think he's the worst of the bunch. That title is proudly held by Van Doren.

Listening to the SB work session last night is painful. She says she hears the group going in one direction, but she's clearly trying to steamroll Tania and Barbara.

She is like a bulldozer and already tried to put the fear of God into Tania about how she needs to toe the line. I think Tania's biding time and getting the lay of the land before she makes any moves. But Van Doren has and deserves a target on her back.

She was literally just reelected.

Which was truly unfortunate.