Anonymous wrote:DHS is launching an internal investigation into the rollout of the travel ban and the problems described in this thread.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/01/homeland-security-inspector-general-opens-investigation-of-muslim-ban-rollout-orders-document-preservation/

Preview: nothing bad happened and nobody is responsible. Easy-peasy.

DHS is launching an internal investigation into the rollout of the travel ban and the problems described in this thread.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/01/homeland-security-inspector-general-opens-investigation-of-muslim-ban-rollout-orders-document-preservation/

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Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

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This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

They expect Gorsuch to spearhead gutting Chevron deference. Conservative judicial activism on the march.

More info here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/26/bureaucrats-may-be-the-losers-if-gorsuch-wins-a-seat-on-supreme-court/#430bd60f460f

Would vacating Chevron have any effect in relation to MvM? Right now we appear to have a crisis where the executive branch in wantonly ignoring the judicial rulings. That seems much larger in scope than Chevron.

They're different. Getting rid of Chevron effectively gives MORE power to the judicial branch, because the courts could overrule the Executive (ie agency interpretations of the law.) Getting rid of Marbury is a complete nuclear option destroying the balance of power by gutting the courts.

Stop.

Chevron simply stands for the proposition that courts should defer to agencies when faced with ambiguous legislation. In other words, when Congress rights crap laws, courts should let agencies use their expertise to figure it out when writing regulations.

Scalia said no (as does Gorsuch). They say that it is Congress's job to write unambiguous laws. Agencies should not be empowered to second guess congress or to rewrite legislation. Instead, it should be sent back to Congress so they can do the job right.

What are you even trying to say? The executive's job is to execute the law. It's not possible for Congress to write laws with such a ministerial level of detail that the executive can carry them out without further interpretation of the law, in most cases. That's the whole reason we have agencies. There is ALWAYS going to be the need for the executive to interpret the law in order to execute it.

Are you trying to say that every law that does not give literal, ministerial directions to the President is going to be vacated by the Courts? I don't think so. What you're saying is that the courts are going to tell the agencies what the law means, in their opinion. That indeed gives a lot more power to the courts. (They already do a lot of this anyway by an overly expansive definition of "arbitrary and capricious" so I'm not sure how much will change in practice.)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

They expect Gorsuch to spearhead gutting Chevron deference. Conservative judicial activism on the march.

More info here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/26/bureaucrats-may-be-the-losers-if-gorsuch-wins-a-seat-on-supreme-court/#430bd60f460f

Would vacating Chevron have any effect in relation to MvM? Right now we appear to have a crisis where the executive branch in wantonly ignoring the judicial rulings. That seems much larger in scope than Chevron.

They're different. Getting rid of Chevron effectively gives MORE power to the judicial branch, because the courts could overrule the Executive (ie agency interpretations of the law.) Getting rid of Marbury is a complete nuclear option destroying the balance of power by gutting the courts.

Stop.

Chevron simply stands for the proposition that courts should defer to agencies when faced with ambiguous legislation. In other words, when Congress rights crap laws, courts should let agencies use their expertise to figure it out when writing regulations.

Scalia said no (as does Gorsuch). They say that it is Congress's job to write unambiguous laws. Agencies should not be empowered to second guess congress or to rewrite legislation. Instead, it should be sent back to Congress so they can do the job right.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

They expect Gorsuch to spearhead gutting Chevron deference. Conservative judicial activism on the march.

More info here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/26/bureaucrats-may-be-the-losers-if-gorsuch-wins-a-seat-on-supreme-court/#430bd60f460f

Would vacating Chevron have any effect in relation to MvM? Right now we appear to have a crisis where the executive branch in wantonly ignoring the judicial rulings. That seems much larger in scope than Chevron.

I don't think getting rid of Chevron deference would be good for anyone who wants to move away from Marbury v. Madison. They're probably misunderstanding the law and what Chevron deference is.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

They expect Gorsuch to spearhead gutting Chevron deference. Conservative judicial activism on the march.

More info here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/26/bureaucrats-may-be-the-losers-if-gorsuch-wins-a-seat-on-supreme-court/#430bd60f460f

Would vacating Chevron have any effect in relation to MvM? Right now we appear to have a crisis where the executive branch in wantonly ignoring the judicial rulings. That seems much larger in scope than Chevron.

They're different. Getting rid of Chevron effectively gives MORE power to the judicial branch, because the courts could overrule the Executive (ie agency interpretations of the law.) Getting rid of Marbury is a complete nuclear option destroying the balance of power by gutting the courts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

They expect Gorsuch to spearhead gutting Chevron deference. Conservative judicial activism on the march.

More info here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/26/bureaucrats-may-be-the-losers-if-gorsuch-wins-a-seat-on-supreme-court/#430bd60f460f

Would vacating Chevron have any effect in relation to MvM? Right now we appear to have a crisis where the executive branch in wantonly ignoring the judicial rulings. That seems much larger in scope than Chevron.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

They expect Gorsuch to spearhead gutting Chevron deference. Conservative judicial activism on the march.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a friend out in LA who works with immigrants and refugees. She is a minister in her church.

Apparently, at the SoCal border crossings people trying to enter as lawful permanent residents are being asked to sign for I-407.

I-407 is the form you sign to acknowledge the voluntary relinquishment of your permanent residency status.

If this is true, these actions fall way beyond what Trump is leading you to believe. It is unconscionable to engage in this sort of fraud.

Is your friend working with the ACLU and/or the media at all? This sounds all too credible, and it needs to come out.

Is there a vetted version of this story in the press yet- please share- this is incredibly scary.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

omg

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

I'm sure Turtle and that dimwit Grassley will be fine with this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Here's an article on "judicial reform" by tossing out Marbury. This seems to be bubbling up in conservative legal circles:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/6th-circuit-transgenderism-is-settled-law

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

p

This is extremely dangerous. No SC hearings until the tax returns are released and the executive branch heeds the judicial. We can't go on as if this is business as usual.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

While I believe this is actually happening, I don't understand why its not being picked up by MSM. It's a huuuuge story. Can someone more involved with the situation explain what's going on with the press? Are there journalists trying to report this story and just still putting together the details?

This journalist (the same one in the OP) says that she is writing it all up now and will have a report soon.

https://twitter.com/CharESilver/status/826635528460079109

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a press release from some lawyers, saying that CBP was refusing service of the court orders, and so were the US Marshals.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rotophonic/status/826535098623225857

Yup, this very dangerous movement is already under way. Even more reason for Democrats to resist the new SC nomination and keep the current make-up as long as possible. It also explains why Trump is pushing the GOP Senate wants to remove Nuclear Option as quickly as possible.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/01/30/hidden-danger-of-trump-immigration-orders-dismissal-of-court-orders/#2b023832cf4f

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/31/trumps-muslim-ban-could-provoke-a-constitutional-crisis-will-the-executive-branch-ignore-the-courts/

ALL of Congress needs to wake up and stop what Bannon is using Trump to pull off here.