Anonymous
Post 01/06/2017 06:07     Subject: Re:Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?


Wrong. It's been well documented that rich parents buy Brown admission for their lazy kids. It's not a "best and the brightest" environment at all, compared to HYPS.


How much to buy a Brown admission? Really is it any less than the others?

Stanford has a good chunk of top athletes who aren't necessarily the "best and brightest" academically.


It's probably the same poster who keeps bringing up this allegation over and over again. I recognize the modus operandi. Likely a high schooler with an agenda.

I'm sure Brown opens its doors to applicants from very wealthy families who willingly open their checkbooks, but so do all the other top colleges as the Kushner example at Harvard tells us.

There was a mother on another college forum I once frequented who was very frank about buying admissions for her son to a top US college (she was from overseas) and she quoted conversations she'd had with various admissions officers and they were upfront about how a donation of X millions would gain her child a spot, and we're talking about HYP. For most of us it seems ludicrous to donate millions just for a spot at Harvard, but if your family is worth hundreds of millions or billions, what's a million or two? Especially when your net worth probably goes up by a greater amount each year and there is a level of extraordinarily wealthy global families who operate on a very different plane than we do.

I don't doubt that these colleges will reserve a handful of spots out of each class for students from these types of families with the understanding that donations will be forthcoming. The tradeoff is justified because the hefty donations will go to financial aid for other students, construction of new buildings and facilities, recruiting new faculty and everything else on the college wish list. And the crossing of fingers that down the road the rich alum will donate millions more. We too easily forget that all colleges, including the Ivy League, are in the business of money as well.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2017 04:01     Subject: Re:Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:No such thing as a "low ivy".


Yes there is and Brown is it. But I can't imagine not choosing it in this circmstance.


Brown is more selective than Penn, as well as Dartmouth and Cornell


Still the bottom feeder rep wise.


LOL

The Brown bashing on this board is funny. Maybe it stems from conservatives who hew to the outdated stereotype of Brown as a crazy liberal outlier? As the academy has gone farther and farther left, Brown is longer ideologically different from most other highly selective schools - 15 years ago it was radically progressive when Brown grappled with its history as a slave-owning institution, now Georgetown, Harvard, Yale and others are following suit. Brown retains its open curriculum and Pass/Fail option for every course. Once upon a time, maybe that fostered laziness, but today there are no lazy kids getting into Brown or any other highly selective school.

My sense of the original post is that it's a troll. But if it's not, then my advice is to have your daughter get into Brown first, and then worry about this "problem" - fewer than 8% of female applicants are accepted.



Wrong. It's been well documented that rich parents buy Brown admission for their lazy kids. It's not a "best and the brightest" environment at all, compared to HYPS.


How much to buy a Brown admission? Really is it any less than the others?

Stanford has a good chunk of top athletes who aren't necessarily the "best and brightest" academically.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2017 03:12     Subject: Re:Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No such thing as a "low ivy".


Yes there is and Brown is it. But I can't imagine not choosing it in this circmstance.


Brown is more selective than Penn, as well as Dartmouth and Cornell


Still the bottom feeder rep wise.


LOL

The Brown bashing on this board is funny. Maybe it stems from conservatives who hew to the outdated stereotype of Brown as a crazy liberal outlier? As the academy has gone farther and farther left, Brown is longer ideologically different from most other highly selective schools - 15 years ago it was radically progressive when Brown grappled with its history as a slave-owning institution, now Georgetown, Harvard, Yale and others are following suit. Brown retains its open curriculum and Pass/Fail option for every course. Once upon a time, maybe that fostered laziness, but today there are no lazy kids getting into Brown or any other highly selective school.

My sense of the original post is that it's a troll. But if it's not, then my advice is to have your daughter get into Brown first, and then worry about this "problem" - fewer than 8% of female applicants are accepted.



Wrong. It's been well documented that rich parents buy Brown admission for their lazy kids. It's not a "best and the brightest" environment at all, compared to HYPS.


My good friend graduated from Brown. She also graduated from Harvard Med School & is now considered one of the top doctors in the country in her specialty. She's obviously super lazy & not at all bright
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 22:30     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
A good friend's daughter went to Brown. Total party girl, super wealthy family -- classic Brown stereotype, or so I thought. She's now a first year medical student. I don't think you can buy your way into a US medical school.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 21:48     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In re to Brown's endowment: Yes, it's the smallest in the Ivy League, but they don't have the business, law, and various grad programs the others fund. Brown seems most focused on offering a liberals arts undergrad experience.


brown has a medical school.

princeton doesn't and princeton doesn't have a law or b-school either.

princeton's giving rate by alums and endowment destroy browns.



Princeton actually destroys everyone when it comes to endowment per student, which is the far more meaningful figure than total endowment. Princeton stands alone with a staggering endowment of $2.81M per student. With a conservative endowment draw of 4%, that spins off more than $112K per year for each student. Yale is the only other school that tops $2M per student (Harvard is 3rd at $1.7M).

A list is here: http://www.reachhighscholars.org/college_endowments.html

Grinnell is #9 - the last school on the list above the $1M per student mark - so I guess you who judge a school by its endowment will be rushing to send your kids there.

Was surprised to see Richmond so high at #15 - helps explain the beautiful campus and lavish merit aid.


I went to a school that's in the top 10 of the endowment/student rankings and it didn't seem very 'rich' on the outside and the merit aid isn't super lavish either.


Grinnell is the only school in that top 10 that offers merit aid
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 19:24     Subject: Re:Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No such thing as a "low ivy".


Yes there is and Brown is it. But I can't imagine not choosing it in this circmstance.


Brown is more selective than Penn, as well as Dartmouth and Cornell


Still the bottom feeder rep wise.


LOL

The Brown bashing on this board is funny. Maybe it stems from conservatives who hew to the outdated stereotype of Brown as a crazy liberal outlier? As the academy has gone farther and farther left, Brown is longer ideologically different from most other highly selective schools - 15 years ago it was radically progressive when Brown grappled with its history as a slave-owning institution, now Georgetown, Harvard, Yale and others are following suit. Brown retains its open curriculum and Pass/Fail option for every course. Once upon a time, maybe that fostered laziness, but today there are no lazy kids getting into Brown or any other highly selective school.

My sense of the original post is that it's a troll. But if it's not, then my advice is to have your daughter get into Brown first, and then worry about this "problem" - fewer than 8% of female applicants are accepted.



Wrong. It's been well documented that rich parents buy Brown admission for their lazy kids. It's not a "best and the brightest" environment at all, compared to HYPS.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 18:01     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In re to Brown's endowment: Yes, it's the smallest in the Ivy League, but they don't have the business, law, and various grad programs the others fund. Brown seems most focused on offering a liberals arts undergrad experience.


brown has a medical school.

princeton doesn't and princeton doesn't have a law or b-school either.

princeton's giving rate by alums and endowment destroy browns.



Princeton actually destroys everyone when it comes to endowment per student, which is the far more meaningful figure than total endowment. Princeton stands alone with a staggering endowment of $2.81M per student. With a conservative endowment draw of 4%, that spins off more than $112K per year for each student. Yale is the only other school that tops $2M per student (Harvard is 3rd at $1.7M).

A list is here: http://www.reachhighscholars.org/college_endowments.html

Grinnell is #9 - the last school on the list above the $1M per student mark - so I guess you who judge a school by its endowment will be rushing to send your kids there.

Was surprised to see Richmond so high at #15 - helps explain the beautiful campus and lavish merit aid.


grinnell has a had a hard time getting domestic students to come and was forced to take omore international students - they said the undershot enrollment figures and exhausted waitlists. seems like people don't want to go there.


Grinnell is a great school. But, it's in the middle of nowhere. Location is a big consideration for many.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 17:44     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In re to Brown's endowment: Yes, it's the smallest in the Ivy League, but they don't have the business, law, and various grad programs the others fund. Brown seems most focused on offering a liberals arts undergrad experience.


brown has a medical school.

princeton doesn't and princeton doesn't have a law or b-school either.

princeton's giving rate by alums and endowment destroy browns.



Princeton actually destroys everyone when it comes to endowment per student, which is the far more meaningful figure than total endowment. Princeton stands alone with a staggering endowment of $2.81M per student. With a conservative endowment draw of 4%, that spins off more than $112K per year for each student. Yale is the only other school that tops $2M per student (Harvard is 3rd at $1.7M).

A list is here: http://www.reachhighscholars.org/college_endowments.html

Grinnell is #9 - the last school on the list above the $1M per student mark - so I guess you who judge a school by its endowment will be rushing to send your kids there.

Was surprised to see Richmond so high at #15 - helps explain the beautiful campus and lavish merit aid.


I went to a school that's in the top 10 of the endowment/student rankings and it didn't seem very 'rich' on the outside and the merit aid isn't super lavish either.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 17:42     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In re to Brown's endowment: Yes, it's the smallest in the Ivy League, but they don't have the business, law, and various grad programs the others fund. Brown seems most focused on offering a liberals arts undergrad experience.


brown has a medical school.

princeton doesn't and princeton doesn't have a law or b-school either.

princeton's giving rate by alums and endowment destroy browns.



Princeton actually destroys everyone when it comes to endowment per student, which is the far more meaningful figure than total endowment. Princeton stands alone with a staggering endowment of $2.81M per student. With a conservative endowment draw of 4%, that spins off more than $112K per year for each student. Yale is the only other school that tops $2M per student (Harvard is 3rd at $1.7M).

A list is here: http://www.reachhighscholars.org/college_endowments.html

Grinnell is #9 - the last school on the list above the $1M per student mark - so I guess you who judge a school by its endowment will be rushing to send your kids there.

Was surprised to see Richmond so high at #15 - helps explain the beautiful campus and lavish merit aid.


grinnell has a had a hard time getting domestic students to come and was forced to take omore international students - they said the undershot enrollment figures and exhausted waitlists. seems like people don't want to go there.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 15:07     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Apply and wait for the acceptances. Way too early for this discussion.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 11:52     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In re to Brown's endowment: Yes, it's the smallest in the Ivy League, but they don't have the business, law, and various grad programs the others fund. Brown seems most focused on offering a liberals arts undergrad experience.


brown has a medical school.

princeton doesn't and princeton doesn't have a law or b-school either.

princeton's giving rate by alums and endowment destroy browns.



Princeton actually destroys everyone when it comes to endowment per student, which is the far more meaningful figure than total endowment. Princeton stands alone with a staggering endowment of $2.81M per student. With a conservative endowment draw of 4%, that spins off more than $112K per year for each student. Yale is the only other school that tops $2M per student (Harvard is 3rd at $1.7M).

A list is here: http://www.reachhighscholars.org/college_endowments.html

Grinnell is #9 - the last school on the list above the $1M per student mark - so I guess you who judge a school by its endowment will be rushing to send your kids there.

Was surprised to see Richmond so high at #15 - helps explain the beautiful campus and lavish merit aid.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 11:21     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Brown< W&M, but in state tuition makes this a closer call. How much will the difference in tuition set you back? If it means DD will need to take out lot more student loans to attend Brown I'd think twice. Otherwise I'd let her go with Brown if that what she wants. It will be a more diverse group of kids, I think. Also the Ivy status still carries a bit more weight with future employers.


You realize you wrote Brown is less than W&M, don't you? Clearly you didn't get into either.


Ha ha! Yes, I've always sucked at those math symbols. Sorry about that. You're right, I didn't go to either school. I attended a different "lesser" Ivy. Amazingly, I still managed to find gainful employment and live a good life (though obviously not as a mathematician.)
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 11:12     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:In re to Brown's endowment: Yes, it's the smallest in the Ivy League, but they don't have the business, law, and various grad programs the others fund. Brown seems most focused on offering a liberals arts undergrad experience.


brown has a medical school.

princeton doesn't and princeton doesn't have a law or b-school either.

princeton's giving rate by alums and endowment destroy browns.

Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 11:12     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
I know two rich families with two daughters each. The wicked smart daughters are at Princeon and Yale. The other two are current Brown students...
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2017 11:11     Subject: Is Brown worth the premium over William & Mary in-state?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:W&M is a suicide school.


Less so than Penn.

W&M still better. We don't want to talk about the Penn...