Anonymous wrote:NP here and a Disney frequent guest. OP, about five years back I swore to my husband I would never use Disney buses again. Too much waiting. And yes, the line could be two buses worth long and a scooter could pull up at the last second with her 10 family members and go straight to the front of the line. Not cool. Scooters should have to queue up like everyone else. Not we rent a car every time and it has made a huge difference.

I don't understand why a scooter gets you to the front of the line? That doesn't make any sense.

NP here and a Disney frequent guest. OP, about five years back I swore to my husband I would never use Disney buses again. Too much waiting. And yes, the line could be two buses worth long and a scooter could pull up at the last second with her 10 family members and go straight to the front of the line. Not cool. Scooters should have to queue up like everyone else. Not we rent a car every time and it has made a huge difference.

What is so disgusting about this thread is that OP and her ilk are probably wearing their Safety Pins and proudly displaying their memes on Facebook about how they will stand against bigots and mean people and the KKK and the Alt-Right and teach their children that discrimination is wrong. And yet they can't even tolerate not being first off the monorail in front of persons with disabilities.

And the cognitive connection is utterly missing. Discrimination is discrimination, OP. You are a bigot.

Agree, the food is horrible. That's why we drive and try to eat one meal away from Disney. We never ever eat at McDonald's and I was so excited to see them for breakfast.

Anonymous wrote:Between the awful food choices and the number of people on scooters/wheelchairs bumping to the front of the line, Disney is just not for our family as a vacation. That plus boys, ie no princess obsessions. If it works for your family, more power to you!

Mom of 2 boys. They love Disney. Jedi training was nothing less than awesome for them. The first time we went, I did not plan for food and thought food was terrible. After little research, we are able to enjoy decent meals and lots of tasty treats.

Anonymous wrote:Between the awful food choices and the number of people on scooters/wheelchairs bumping to the front of the line, Disney is just not for our family as a vacation. That plus boys, ie no princess obsessions. If it works for your family, more power to you!

Have you been? How do you know the food is awful?

Scooters and wheelchairs (unless there is another factor, like a Make a Wish child who uses one) haven't jumped to the front of the queue in many years.

Between the awful food choices and the number of people on scooters/wheelchairs bumping to the front of the line, Disney is just not for our family as a vacation. That plus boys, ie no princess obsessions. If it works for your family, more power to you!

We have been to Disney 5x and never noticed high volume of scooters. We avoid school breaks though and go when random days are off from school.

I do remember going to Disney as a child during Christmas break. I just remember waiting all day and too many people. I am sure there was more of everything, including scooters.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who works with people with disabilities, I can tell you that what a Disney does for accessibility is unparalleled. Many families who could not manage a trip to the beach or almost any other popular vacation destination because of disabilities, can handle Disney.

As a result, many families where one member has a physical disability choose a Disney for repeated trips. The result is more scooters.

I can tell you that not all of these people were physically disabled. I am 100% certain of that.

Since I was 18 I've had severe arthritis - from the middle of my back, down through my pelvis and hips, through my thighs, shins and in my ankles. I'm 40 now, and you still will never see me limping. But I have cried at night from how much pain I'm in at the end of a day filled with a ton of walking. My body picks up on changes in barometric pressure up to 150 miles away. So if it's raining one state over, I'm feeling it. And you would never, ever know. I do back walkovers, dance around with my kid, go bike riding, etc. But I can absolutely see myself needing a scooter. And you'd look at me and think "She's FINE!"

Not to minimize the awful pain you go through, but this is kind of amazingly awesome PP. You are like a superhero

Lol, that's me! It took over half a year to figure out my range, and my mom and I were so excited - we totally pulled out maps and she was calling random relatives and friends in certain towns to "say hello" but then would casually ask how the weather has been. It was kind of hilarious. I live in a different part of the country now and still have a similar radius.

That is seriously amazing. As a writer it makes me want to write a character who has this. It's so, so cool.

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Anonymous wrote:We were there during the summer and scooters were everywhere. We stayed at a resort and took a shuttle to/from the Magic Kingdom. Half the shuttle is taken up with the scooters so you end up waiting extra long for an empty shuttle. Several times you have a large group with one person in a shuttle. The large group with the shuttle person would get to board first so they got a good chunk of the seats plus the damn shuttle is taking up seat space too. Grrr.......

OP here. Yes this is it exactly. Everything at Disney was already so crowded, we were there with our two young kids and this was our experience every single time.

+1. This was our experience too. Makes the shuttles take forever.

There are many factors that contribute to the shuttles taking forever. Disney's choices are at the top of the list. The fact that you're singling out this one group of people I could just as easily say "The reason why the shuttles take for ever is children. I couldn't get on 3 times last trip because seats were taken up by people under the age of 12, and standing room was limited due to folded strollers. There are simply too many children at Disney!". Or "The reason why things are slow is because people bring their wives and daughters. Women should stay home and not get in the way of important things like Disney trips!" Sounds absurd right? Because while children and women contribute to the crowding on the bus, they have every right to be there. So do people with mobility related disabilities.

I also have to say I have difficulty believing that every shuttle ride the PP took was delayed because of scooters. In my experience at Disney, there were a few times when a scooter user boarded with their family, and it's possible that I had to wait for the next shuttle for them. There were many more times when a shuttle pulled up with the scooter spots already full, or there were more families with scooters than spots for scooters in a shuttle waiting when I arrived, and so my family got to jump the queue ahead of a person with a disability and their families. There were also times when a scooter user arrived before or after me, and we both made it on board, and sadly times when the bus arrived by the lift was broken so that the people needing it had to wait.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who works with people with disabilities, I can tell you that what a Disney does for accessibility is unparalleled. Many families who could not manage a trip to the beach or almost any other popular vacation destination because of disabilities, can handle Disney.

As a result, many families where one member has a physical disability choose a Disney for repeated trips. The result is more scooters.

I can tell you that not all of these people were physically disabled. I am 100% certain of that.

Since I was 18 I've had severe arthritis - from the middle of my back, down through my pelvis and hips, through my thighs, shins and in my ankles. I'm 40 now, and you still will never see me limping. But I have cried at night from how much pain I'm in at the end of a day filled with a ton of walking. My body picks up on changes in barometric pressure up to 150 miles away. So if it's raining one state over, I'm feeling it. And you would never, ever know. I do back walkovers, dance around with my kid, go bike riding, etc. But I can absolutely see myself needing a scooter. And you'd look at me and think "She's FINE!"

Not to minimize the awful pain you go through, but this is kind of amazingly awesome PP. You are like a superhero

Lol, that's me! It took over half a year to figure out my range, and my mom and I were so excited - we totally pulled out maps and she was calling random relatives and friends in certain towns to "say hello" but then would casually ask how the weather has been. It was kind of hilarious. I live in a different part of the country now and still have a similar radius.

I had surgery a few years ago and was planning to get a scooter. I looked completely healthy but was still recovering from surgery. We ended up postponing but if we had gone, I am sure people would have judged me. My parents have lots of misc pain and cannot walk long distances. They would need a scooter although they look healthy enough. They are not obese or lazy, just old and in pain.

Anonymous wrote:I'm positive that there are a lot of actual disabled people at Disney but the sad reality is that there are also a lot of people with poor health habits that are simply fat and cannot walk through the parks. It reminds me of Wall-E.

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If they cannot walk through the parks, then they should use scooters. How they got that way is irrelevant at that point. It's not like Disney is handing out organ transplants.

My 65 yo mother got run over at Disneyworld by a woman driving a scooter with a child on her lap. The front of the scooter was an older model had a metal "bumper" that cut into her ankle and we ended up in the emergency room for five hours so she could get stitches. Put a huge damper on the trip. I'm fine with scooters in general but some people need safety lessons or Disney needs designated scooter lanes. For the rest of the trip I was watching the scooters carefully and so many people were driving them while on their cell phones and not paying an ounce of attention. I don't want it to ruin it for the 99% of people who honestly need them but it is out of control.

Just drive instead of their shuttles. Problem solved.