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Anonymous wrote:You should do IVF. 5% a month isn't cumulative. Each month its5%

OP here. My RE told me it is cumulative. He said I have a 20% chance of getting pregnant with one IVF, or a 30% chance of getting pregnant in 3 years TTC with no treatments. With those poor odds, I decided not to do IVF because I would only be willing to do it one time.

I can't imagine basing my decision entirely on those odds. There are plenty of women who get pregnant at 40 through IVF. Also one time? What if you had frozen embryos? I feel like you're the same poster who posted in the past about your AMH?

I was the poster with the .4 Amh - i happily did 2 ivfs and would have done more but i have a 10 week old! DOR is a different set of rules and needs to be approached aggressively - i would never tell anyone not to try ivf because your odds are low - that's the whole reason to do ivf!

I agree. I also have DOR. AMH of less than .01 at age 37. Did one natural cycle IVF and have my miracle baby. I'm 41.5 and I've had 1 period since he was born.

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Anonymous wrote:You should do IVF. 5% a month isn't cumulative. Each month its5%

OP here. My RE told me it is cumulative. He said I have a 20% chance of getting pregnant with one IVF, or a 30% chance of getting pregnant in 3 years TTC with no treatments. With those poor odds, I decided not to do IVF because I would only be willing to do it one time.

I can't imagine basing my decision entirely on those odds. There are plenty of women who get pregnant at 40 through IVF. Also one time? What if you had frozen embryos? I feel like you're the same poster who posted in the past about your AMH?

I was the poster with the .4 Amh - i happily did 2 ivfs and would have done more but i have a 10 week old! DOR is a different set of rules and needs to be approached aggressively - i would never tell anyone not to try ivf because your odds are low - that's the whole reason to do ivf!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I do want a second child more than anything. But I am not willing to do traditional IVF. I've done iui with injectibles and that was a negative experience. I am willing to do acupuncture, supplements and more Iuis or natural cycle ivf. But I am brca positive and have a hideous family history of reproductive cancers, breastfeeding, uterine and ovarian. I know that it is extremely unlikely that I will get pregnant naturally, though we continue to try every month. But I am unwilling to take hormones that could adversely affect my health or cause cancer down the line
This is especially so because I have such a low chance of success with ivf statisticslly.
As much as I want a second child I am not willing to put my own health at risk, especially since I already have one child. Does that make sense?

It doesn't to me, no.

First, I'm not convinced there are additional health risks to you, including cancer risks. Most of the "hormones" you take as part of IVF are hormones your body already makes! They are simply aren't produced for a while because your body didn't ovulate so you have to take supplements during the first part of pregnancy. Regardless, I don't see how not being a scientist or Doctor you really have an understanding of the health risks from IUI versus IVF.

Second - you seem convinced you have a "low chance of success" but no one really knows what your chance of success is! It's like you don't want to go through with traditional IVF and you're using this as an excuse. You're also choosing to undergo procedures that DO have a low chance of success and haven't yet worked for you. I personally skipped the IUI route because I decided I'd rather undergo IVF once or twice than multiple rounds of IUI. If IVF won't work I don't see why IUI would work so the IUI and trying naturally seems to be a waste of time.

Third - you're not thinking positively. Your entire mindset seems to be that IVF won't work for you. Have you considered how you'd feel if you tried IVF and it DID work?

Anonymous wrote:I've been pregnant 13 times since I was 38. (Now 46.) No babies. Getting pregnant does not mean you will give birth to a healthy baby. Miscarriage risk goes up with age too. And age absolutely affects male fertility as well, though the exact affects aren't well understood.

Anonymous wrote:You have one child already;
You are 40+;
You are BRCA positive; and
You do not want to go traditional IVF route.

Even with NCIVF, RE may use antagonist to stop you from ovulating. So, no NCIVF either.

Ans: Try every month, Supplements, Acupuncture, Chinese Herbs, exercise regularly (promote better circulation), healthy eating habits (no or low sugar, no dairy products, no soy products, lots of green veg), lose weight if you are over weight, check your DHEAS/testosterone/Vitamin D level and supplement if needed, check if your ovary is healthy (i.e., no issue like endmet).

I cannot think of anything other than the above.

Anonymous wrote:OP, I understand what you are saying. What I don't think people (or one poster) are understanding is that IFV is not always the answer for some people. I was not a candidate for IVF. My chances were so low due to DOR. I was not a good responder and my eggs fried. THIS BOARDS IS NOT FOR IVF ONLY!!!! I found plenty of support here for 3 plus years. the TTC forum is not appropriate for infertility issues. You have every right to be here and post. I am sorry that some posters think this is for IVF only. It isn't. I too have secondary infertility- I got lucky the first time, I had a spontaneous natural pregnancy with AMH of less than .01 at age 41 following 3 years of infertility and 2 losses. I sympathize OP. You are not alone. Good luck in your journey and I hope you find the support you need.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I do want a second child more than anything. But I am not willing to do traditional IVF. I've done iui with injectibles and that was a negative experience. I am willing to do acupuncture, supplements and more Iuis or natural cycle ivf. But I am brca positive and have a hideous family history of reproductive cancers, breastfeeding, uterine and ovarian. I know that it is extremely unlikely that I will get pregnant naturally, though we continue to try every month. But I am unwilling to take hormones that could adversely affect my health or cause cancer down the line
This is especially so because I have such a low chance of success with ivf statisticslly.
As much as I want a second child I am not willing to put my own health at risk, especially since I already have one child. Does that make sense?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll answer! I spent a lot of time and energy debating IVF. I was extremely dramatic. Nervous about the meds. Constantly agonizing. Putting it off. Convincing myself I didn't want to have a child, but I did deep down. Telling myself well maybe it will happen naturally. Spent a few years doing this.

I somehow bit the bullet and did a round of IVF. It was seriously NO big deal. It's a distant memory. I'm now in my third trimester. Honestly, pregnancy has been a lot more stressful than IVF. I think the hardest part about IVF can be getting started. If you can handle pregnancy you can handle IVF.

I just think it's sad if OP wants another child but chooses to not have one because she can't face IVF.

I get that. But, surely you've been on this board long enough to know that IVF meds affect different people differently. For example, some women really react to Lupron, while it doesn't bother others at all. Not all people on here have the same resources either - financial or emotional. (My DH was very supportive but I know others who were not.) Some people are also just not willing to take the step. It's not important enough to them. That's ok. [/b]You look at OP and clearly see yourself. But, she's not you.

Right. Most of us see through the world through our own eyes. I just know I struggled in facing IVF and looking back I'm so glad I went through with it and it was way easier than I ever expected! Surely my experience could help someone, including OP.

Fwiw - medication almost always affects people different and we all have different resources - financial or emotional. This is true for everything in life, including IVF. It's too bad OP expects to face side effects from the medication but the good news is you don't take the medication long at all. Also very few of the medications are known for serious side effects or anything long lasting. I think OP is simply using the medication as an excuse and she is overwhelmed.

Not sure why you are having so much trouble getting out of your own experience. You really seem to be counseling yourself here. Not the OP.

You also seem to be stuck on your own experience and seem to be counseling yourself!

I simply saw OP being bullied, frankly, and tried to step in nicely and encourage everyone to be a bit more compassionate.[b] Perhaps you'll be able to be less defensive when this experience is a little further in your rear view mirror.

In the meantime, I hope that seeing this dialogue can help OP place some of the harsher, more hurtful comments she's received in appropriate perspective.

Anonymous wrote:I agree that OP is posting on the wrong board. Most women here have undergone or are thinking about undergoing fertility treatments. OP, you may want to consider sharing your struggles on a forum with other like-minded women (i.e. women dealing with secondary infertility but who are not going the ART route). By the way, I used to be quite resistant to treatment but soon it became clear that time was ticking and I needed to get on a treatment course fast. For me, the answer was fertility treatment. For you the answer may be acupuncture/herbs/counseling etc. Good luck!