Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Oh yes, anecdotal evidence is so convincing. Thank you for that scientific 15% fact. It contibutes a lot.
By the way, counting the actual number of federal workers is hard. Something far beyond the capabilities of your preferred source, Wikipedia. For example, some of the intelligence agencies do not make their numbers available to the public. There are also part-time, temporary, and seasonal workers. How do you count them? Not to mention categories like interns and law clerks. And what about the postal service is that in the number or out? Some sources count reservists as non-military federal workers. And what season do you count in? The beginning of the FY when numbers are higher?
Fedscope is the best source, but using OPM, the real FY 2015 number is 1.8M, which is well under your overblown claim and much closer to the earlier poster's. Why would you cite 5-year old data, anyway, when the real numbers are so easily available. To mislead?
BTW, here's the source
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/sizing-up-the-executive-branch-2015.pdf
You are an idiot. The report you cite only covers CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH employees. It says right on page 3 that the numbers provided in the report "exclude a few major components of the Executive Branch (most notably the Postal Service and many intelligence agencies)."
The Postal Service is over 600,000 employees, so as the other PP stated, the real number of federal employees is actually right about 2.8 million.
US Census data says 2.7 million federal civilian employees
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
There are 318 million people in the US. 2.7 million is 0.8% of the population. What fraction of the population as federal workers do you think is reasonable? Frankly, I'm suprised we can do all the work the government needs to do with this small force. Must be pretty efficient.
Fine, we can debate that issue but at least you've stopped falsely claiming 1.5 or 1.8 million. Sheesh. Talk about resisting real world facts.
So the federal government is far and away the largest employer in the US -- twice as large as #2 Walmart which has 1.4 million US employees.
With 140 million working age individuals in the U.S., the federal government makes up 2 percent of the working population of the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/trump-republicans-plan-to-target-government-workers-benefits-and-job-security/
"President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are drawing up plans to take on the government bureaucracy they have long railed against, by eroding job protections and grinding down benefits that federal workers have received for a generation. Hiring freezes, an end to automatic raises, a green light to fire poor performers, a ban on union business on the government’s dime and less generous pensions — these are the contours of the blueprint emerging under Republican control of Washington in January. "
Welcome to the world that the private sector has been living in for years now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. The genius Republicans will outsource government work to private contractors who make nearly twice as much to dong the same job. All in the name of saving money and socking it to those lazy government workers.
This can't be said too often.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Oh yes, anecdotal evidence is so convincing. Thank you for that scientific 15% fact. It contibutes a lot.
By the way, counting the actual number of federal workers is hard. Something far beyond the capabilities of your preferred source, Wikipedia. For example, some of the intelligence agencies do not make their numbers available to the public. There are also part-time, temporary, and seasonal workers. How do you count them? Not to mention categories like interns and law clerks. And what about the postal service is that in the number or out? Some sources count reservists as non-military federal workers. And what season do you count in? The beginning of the FY when numbers are higher?
Fedscope is the best source, but using OPM, the real FY 2015 number is 1.8M, which is well under your overblown claim and much closer to the earlier poster's. Why would you cite 5-year old data, anyway, when the real numbers are so easily available. To mislead?
BTW, here's the source
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/sizing-up-the-executive-branch-2015.pdf
You are an idiot. The report you cite only covers CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH employees. It says right on page 3 that the numbers provided in the report "exclude a few major components of the Executive Branch (most notably the Postal Service and many intelligence agencies)."
The Postal Service is over 600,000 employees, so as the other PP stated, the real number of federal employees is actually right about 2.8 million.
US Census data says 2.7 million federal civilian employees
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
There are 318 million people in the US. 2.7 million is 0.8% of the population. What fraction of the population as federal workers do you think is reasonable? Frankly, I'm suprised we can do all the work the government needs to do with this small force. Must be pretty efficient.
Fine, we can debate that issue but at least you've stopped falsely claiming 1.5 or 1.8 million. Sheesh. Talk about resisting real world facts.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Oh yes, anecdotal evidence is so convincing. Thank you for that scientific 15% fact. It contibutes a lot.
By the way, counting the actual number of federal workers is hard. Something far beyond the capabilities of your preferred source, Wikipedia. For example, some of the intelligence agencies do not make their numbers available to the public. There are also part-time, temporary, and seasonal workers. How do you count them? Not to mention categories like interns and law clerks. And what about the postal service is that in the number or out? Some sources count reservists as non-military federal workers. And what season do you count in? The beginning of the FY when numbers are higher?
Fedscope is the best source, but using OPM, the real FY 2015 number is 1.8M, which is well under your overblown claim and much closer to the earlier poster's. Why would you cite 5-year old data, anyway, when the real numbers are so easily available. To mislead?
BTW, here's the source
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/sizing-up-the-executive-branch-2015.pdf
You are an idiot. The report you cite only covers CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH employees. It says right on page 3 that the numbers provided in the report "exclude a few major components of the Executive Branch (most notably the Postal Service and many intelligence agencies)."
The Postal Service is over 600,000 employees, so as the other PP stated, the real number of federal employees is actually right about 2.8 million.
US Census data says 2.7 million federal civilian employees
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
There are 318 million people in the US. 2.7 million is 0.8% of the population. What fraction of the population as federal workers do you think is reasonable? Frankly, I'm suprised we can do all the work the government needs to do with this small force. Must be pretty efficient.
Fine, we can debate that issue but at least you've stopped falsely claiming 1.5 or 1.8 million. Sheesh. Talk about resisting real world facts.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Oh yes, anecdotal evidence is so convincing. Thank you for that scientific 15% fact. It contibutes a lot.
By the way, counting the actual number of federal workers is hard. Something far beyond the capabilities of your preferred source, Wikipedia. For example, some of the intelligence agencies do not make their numbers available to the public. There are also part-time, temporary, and seasonal workers. How do you count them? Not to mention categories like interns and law clerks. And what about the postal service is that in the number or out? Some sources count reservists as non-military federal workers. And what season do you count in? The beginning of the FY when numbers are higher?
Fedscope is the best source, but using OPM, the real FY 2015 number is 1.8M, which is well under your overblown claim and much closer to the earlier poster's. Why would you cite 5-year old data, anyway, when the real numbers are so easily available. To mislead?
BTW, here's the source
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/sizing-up-the-executive-branch-2015.pdf
You are an idiot. The report you cite only covers CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH employees. It says right on page 3 that the numbers provided in the report "exclude a few major components of the Executive Branch (most notably the Postal Service and many intelligence agencies)."
The Postal Service is over 600,000 employees, so as the other PP stated, the real number of federal employees is actually right about 2.8 million.
US Census data says 2.7 million federal civilian employees
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
There are 318 million people in the US. 2.7 million is 0.8% of the population. What fraction of the population as federal workers do you think is reasonable? Frankly, I'm suprised we can do all the work the government needs to do with this small force. Must be pretty efficient.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Oh yes, anecdotal evidence is so convincing. Thank you for that scientific 15% fact. It contibutes a lot.
By the way, counting the actual number of federal workers is hard. Something far beyond the capabilities of your preferred source, Wikipedia. For example, some of the intelligence agencies do not make their numbers available to the public. There are also part-time, temporary, and seasonal workers. How do you count them? Not to mention categories like interns and law clerks. And what about the postal service is that in the number or out? Some sources count reservists as non-military federal workers. And what season do you count in? The beginning of the FY when numbers are higher?
Fedscope is the best source, but using OPM, the real FY 2015 number is 1.8M, which is well under your overblown claim and much closer to the earlier poster's. Why would you cite 5-year old data, anyway, when the real numbers are so easily available. To mislead?
BTW, here's the source
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/sizing-up-the-executive-branch-2015.pdf
You are an idiot. The report you cite only covers CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH employees. It says right on page 3 that the numbers provided in the report "exclude a few major components of the Executive Branch (most notably the Postal Service and many intelligence agencies)."
The Postal Service is over 600,000 employees, so as the other PP stated, the real number of federal employees is actually right about 2.8 million.
US Census data says 2.7 million federal civilian employees
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. The genius Republicans will outsource government work to private contractors who make nearly twice as much to dong the same job. All in the name of saving money and socking it to those lazy government workers.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Absolutely. I worked in government for a year and was bored silly without enough to do. The only time I felt fully productive was when my co-.worker went on vacation for a week, and if had to do both her job and mine. It wasn't hard - it was simply a full day. There never should have been two of us doing that work, but my boss was a GS-15 and "rated" two people, so he took it. I'm sure that went on all over the place, with all sorts of unnecessary overstaffing.
Honestly, it sounds like you weren't trusted to do the work. Not everyone is cut out to do government work. People who make flip arguments and don't bother with details about things they think are inconsequential can do a lot of damage that someone else has to fix.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Absolutely. I worked in government for a year and was bored silly without enough to do. The only time I felt fully productive was when my co-.worker went on vacation for a week, and if had to do both her job and mine. It wasn't hard - it was simply a full day. There never should have been two of us doing that work, but my boss was a GS-15 and "rated" two people, so he took it. I'm sure that went on all over the place, with all sorts of unnecessary overstaffing.
Honestly, it sounds like you weren't trusted to do the work. Not everyone is cut out to do government work. People who make flip arguments and don't bother with details about things they think are inconsequential can do a lot of damage that someone else has to fix.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Oh yes, anecdotal evidence is so convincing. Thank you for that scientific 15% fact. It contibutes a lot.
By the way, counting the actual number of federal workers is hard. Something far beyond the capabilities of your preferred source, Wikipedia. For example, some of the intelligence agencies do not make their numbers available to the public. There are also part-time, temporary, and seasonal workers. How do you count them? Not to mention categories like interns and law clerks. And what about the postal service is that in the number or out? Some sources count reservists as non-military federal workers. And what season do you count in? The beginning of the FY when numbers are higher?
Fedscope is the best source, but using OPM, the real FY 2015 number is 1.8M, which is well under your overblown claim and much closer to the earlier poster's. Why would you cite 5-year old data, anyway, when the real numbers are so easily available. To mislead?
BTW, here's the source
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/sizing-up-the-executive-branch-2015.pdf
You are an idiot. The report you cite only covers CERTAIN EXECUTIVE BRANCH employees. It says right on page 3 that the numbers provided in the report "exclude a few major components of the Executive Branch (most notably the Postal Service and many intelligence agencies)."
The Postal Service is over 600,000 employees, so as the other PP stated, the real number of federal employees is actually right about 2.8 million.
Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/trump-republicans-plan-to-target-government-workers-benefits-and-job-security/
"President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are drawing up plans to take on the government bureaucracy they have long railed against, by eroding job protections and grinding down benefits that federal workers have received for a generation. Hiring freezes, an end to automatic raises, a green light to fire poor performers, a ban on union business on the government’s dime and less generous pensions — these are the contours of the blueprint emerging under Republican control of Washington in January. "
Welcome to the world that the private sector has been living in for years now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"
Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.
Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.
This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.
The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Absolutely. I worked in government for a year and was bored silly without enough to do. The only time I felt fully productive was when my co-.worker went on vacation for a week, and if had to do both her job and mine. It wasn't hard - it was simply a full day. There never should have been two of us doing that work, but my boss was a GS-15 and "rated" two people, so he took it. I'm sure that went on all over the place, with all sorts of unnecessary overstaffing.