Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:36
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Who cares if they're "hard workers" if they're working hard at scrubbing a toilet?
My child's education is being totally pushed aside to accommodate all the ESOL students who have invaded Virginia schools. I wish we could afford private, but we can't.
I understand they are necessary to agriculture, but I really can't see their importance in the DC/VA/MD economy.
My child's education is being totally pushed aside to accommodate all the ESOL students who have invaded Virginia schools. I wish we could afford private, but we can't.
I understand they are necessary to agriculture, but I really can't see their importance in the DC/VA/MD economy.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:33
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Honest response (I'm sort of an immigrant, and have plenty of lots of immediate family, including my generation, that are immigrants):
I have no problem with basically unlimited immigration OR a strong social safety net that involves significant government spending. But I cannot support both simultaneously. Really wish the democrats would choose one or the other.
Yes, all of us are descendants of immigrants, but the prior waves of immigration to this country did not coexist with a widespread social safety net.
I have no problem with basically unlimited immigration OR a strong social safety net that involves significant government spending. But I cannot support both simultaneously. Really wish the democrats would choose one or the other.
Yes, all of us are descendants of immigrants, but the prior waves of immigration to this country did not coexist with a widespread social safety net.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:24
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.
I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.
huh? They come here for the freedoms, including the freedom to make a million bucks. It is (or was) called the American dream. I get it.
Some do, perhaps many do. But not all. And we are fools to take chances. If they have honest intentions they can follow our laws and wait.
I'm the one you're responding to and I agree with what you're saying completely. I was responding to the poster who they don't get why people want to come here.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:21
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.
I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.
huh? They come here for the freedoms, including the freedom to make a million bucks. It is (or was) called the American dream. I get it.
Some do, perhaps many do. But not all. And we are fools to take chances. If they have honest intentions they can follow our laws and wait.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:21
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.
I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.
American Exceptionalism is BS.
Someone has a nasty chip on their shoulder here.
As I said above, people come here for the freedoms, including the freedom to make a million bucks. It is called the American dream. And they're still coming in droves. Call it what you want.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:20
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
My two cents on the issue. I do not like:
- people streaming across our border
- these individuals using social services that we all pay for
- then demanding that they be allowed to stay in the US as if they are entitled
- La Raza - racist organization
- freaking dialing "1" for English
But as a father, when I see a six year old girl and ten year old brother living in the fear that their parents will be removed from the US, even the things I do not like make me wonder what the solution is. Most of all I am angry that the situation ever got to this point due to those who make money from their labor.
- people streaming across our border
- these individuals using social services that we all pay for
- then demanding that they be allowed to stay in the US as if they are entitled
- La Raza - racist organization
- freaking dialing "1" for English
But as a father, when I see a six year old girl and ten year old brother living in the fear that their parents will be removed from the US, even the things I do not like make me wonder what the solution is. Most of all I am angry that the situation ever got to this point due to those who make money from their labor.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:18
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read that about 800,000 people become naturalized citizens each year. Seems doable if someone really wanted to.
Sure. All the day laborers, restaurant workers and non-American domestic workers can just walk on the USCIS red carpet to citizenship each year. Easy as pie.
well, no, they have to go through the legal process. It takes a few years. But that is the proper way to do it. Otherwise hey are lawbreakers.
Moronic answer. Look up the requirements to become a US citizen, then talk.
I'm well aware of them. What's the problem?
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:17
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read that about 800,000 people become naturalized citizens each year. Seems doable if someone really wanted to.
JHFC you people make bricks look like members of Mensa.
? Can you explain? What is wrong with it, specifically?
Lordy, another one.
well can you explain or are you just going to keep making cryptic "drive by" comments?
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:16
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.
I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.
American Exceptionalism is BS.
Then move to El Salvador or Ethiopia or North Korea.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:13
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read that about 800,000 people become naturalized citizens each year. Seems doable if someone really wanted to.
JHFC you people make bricks look like members of Mensa.
? Can you explain? What is wrong with it, specifically?
Lordy, another one.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:12
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read that about 800,000 people become naturalized citizens each year. Seems doable if someone really wanted to.
Sure. All the day laborers, restaurant workers and non-American domestic workers can just walk on the USCIS red carpet to citizenship each year. Easy as pie.
well, no, they have to go through the legal process. It takes a few years. But that is the proper way to do it. Otherwise hey are lawbreakers.
Moronic answer. Look up the requirements to become a US citizen, then talk.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:12
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Not curbing illegal immigration is insane. Open borders is insane. Allowing hoards of under-educated people, even if they are hard workers, in without oversight or limits is insane.
All the other stuff is just fluff and hogwash spewed by people who have no idea what the heck they are talking about. Put your wallet where your mouth is and start siphoning thousands of dollars a month away from your own children and into the pockets of these poor, destitute illegals. No?
All the other stuff is just fluff and hogwash spewed by people who have no idea what the heck they are talking about. Put your wallet where your mouth is and start siphoning thousands of dollars a month away from your own children and into the pockets of these poor, destitute illegals. No?
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:07
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read that about 800,000 people become naturalized citizens each year. Seems doable if someone really wanted to.
JHFC you people make bricks look like members of Mensa.
? Can you explain? What is wrong with it, specifically?
Anonymous
11/19/2016 20:00
Subject: Re:Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:OP, people who defend illegal immigration do not believe (generally speaking of course) in American Exceptionalism. They (usually) believe that all systems of government, all religions, all moral codes, all peoples' histories are "equal" and who are you to judge one as better than another? They do not understand that the immigrants who have made this country great for the past 230 years are those who come here because they want to be like us, to become Americans and to assimilate to our way of life. Rather, they support the idea that anyone from any background can "contribute" to what we have already established, by bringing their own way of being, whether or not it fits our history and core being.
I don't get it either. It's cultural suicide. But that's the way many of these people think. It's a form of self-loathing, I suspect.
American Exceptionalism is BS.
Anonymous
11/19/2016 19:59
Subject: Why do people defend illegal immigration? (Serious question)
Anonymous wrote:If these people are such good people and they're providing so much to the base economy, these other countries they came from should be more than happy to have them back. Hell, they should pay for them back.
Well, they're helping to keep Social Security and MEDICARE solvent by billions annually. Bigly.