Anonymous
11/04/2016 09:39
Subject: Re:Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
Anonymous wrote:"If someone graduates from medical school, but doesn't have a job, are they not a doctor?"
They are not a doctor unless and until they pass the boards. My cousin's husband graduated from medical school and failed the boards as many times as they let you take them. He's not a doctor and can't call himself one.
Side note, I wish he'd gone to PA school after that. But he was too proud to enter one of those "lower" professions after graduating med school so instead he's had a series of pointless jobs and failed start ups and my cousin, a hard-working PT (also not a doctor), supports him.
THIS, and it's the same for someone who received a JD but didn't pass the bar. Having a certain academic degree is not the same as having the relevant professional certifications to call yourself an X.
Anonymous
11/04/2016 09:36
Subject: Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
he can't practice law, therefore not a lawyer.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This happened to me. Guy said he was a lawyer. In fact, he had graduated law school but failed the bar and was working as a paralegal. One of the attorneys from my firm went to work at his organization, so he came clean to me. I wasn't crazy about him for other reasons, but I really didn't like the lying, or the implication that I wouldn't have been interested in a paralegal. He passed the bar at some point and actually became a lawyer.
Splitting hairs. He was a lawyer, wasn't Esquire.
Anonymous
11/04/2016 08:28
Subject: Re:Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Uh...Vets ARE called doctors because that's what they are. They go through veterinary med school. I've never heard of a vet imply that he/she was a physician/surgeon to humans. They are usually pretty proud to be called animal doctors.
A vet calling herself a doctor is more fraudulent than a PA calling himself a doctor. And she's also stupid, because it invites people to ask, "what is your medical specialty and at which hospital do you work", and then she is forced to provide the humiliating explanation, "um, I'm a vet and I work at the strip mall".
Is that more embarrassing than the human doctor who works next door in the strip mall at the urgent care?
And I'm guessing you've never had any serious issues with your pets that required visits to animal hospitals or specialists. Be thankful.
Veterinary school is more difficult to get into than medical school. There are far fewer vet schools. The pre-med and pre-vet requirements are the same, the education is similarly rigorous, and for many specialties there are grueling residencies.
The vet who cares for my horses did years of surgical and sports medicine residencies, maintains encyclopedic knowledge of emerging research on therapies like stem cell treatment, and regularly presents at professional conferences. He does more sophisticated, varied, and challenging work in the course of one day than my kid's pediatrician sees in a month.
Do a ride-along with a large-animal vet and if you make it through the day you'll learn how ignorant you were.
Anonymous
11/04/2016 08:21
Subject: Re:Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
"If someone graduates from medical school, but doesn't have a job, are they not a doctor?"
They are not a doctor unless and until they pass the boards. My cousin's husband graduated from medical school and failed the boards as many times as they let you take them. He's not a doctor and can't call himself one.
Side note, I wish he'd gone to PA school after that. But he was too proud to enter one of those "lower" professions after graduating med school so instead he's had a series of pointless jobs and failed start ups and my cousin, a hard-working PT (also not a doctor), supports him.
They are not a doctor unless and until they pass the boards. My cousin's husband graduated from medical school and failed the boards as many times as they let you take them. He's not a doctor and can't call himself one.
Side note, I wish he'd gone to PA school after that. But he was too proud to enter one of those "lower" professions after graduating med school so instead he's had a series of pointless jobs and failed start ups and my cousin, a hard-working PT (also not a doctor), supports him.
Anonymous
11/04/2016 08:17
Subject: Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This happened to me. Guy said he was a lawyer. In fact, he had graduated law school but failed the bar and was working as a paralegal. One of the attorneys from my firm went to work at his organization, so he came clean to me. I wasn't crazy about him for other reasons, but I really didn't like the lying, or the implication that I wouldn't have been interested in a paralegal. He passed the bar at some point and actually became a lawyer.
Splitting hairs. He was a lawyer, wasn't Esquire.
To the contrary, he has a JD. He isn't a lawyer.
He was an out of work attorney. Still, he probably should have been upfront about the fact that he was slumming it out as a paralegal.
If someone graduates from medical school, but doesn't have a job, are they not a doctor?
He was not an out of work attorney. He was not an attorney at all. The bar rules prohibit people who have t admitted from passing themselves off as lawyers. When you join a firm when your bar results are pending, your business cards have an asterisk indicating you're not admitted yet.
He was not a lawyer and if an employer has tried to pass him off as one they'd be sanctioned.
Anonymous
11/04/2016 01:06
Subject: Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
Hey this is right out of Seinfeld. Remember when Elaine wants to date this doctor but he had taken the boards 7 times and couldn't pass so she couldn't introduce him as a doctor. Then he passes and dumps her
Anonymous
11/04/2016 00:22
Subject: Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
PhDs don't call themselves doctors by convention.
PAs are not medical doctors.
Wrong. Like many other PhDs, my business card says "Dr. So-and-so" and in a professional setting I am called by that title that I earned.
Yes, but if someone asks you what you do for a living, do you say "Doctor?"
I am a professor, with a PhD. My students/collegues call me Dr. XYZ, and my business card/e-mail signature/etc. have Dr. XYZ on them. But, if someone asks me what I do for a living, I say "math professor." I can't imagine ever saying I am a doctor.
I think that is what the PP was getting at, not whether your prefix is Doctor.
Anonymous
11/04/2016 00:01
Subject: Guy I'm dating told he was a doctor ... but google says he's just a physicians assistant
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This happened to me. Guy said he was a lawyer. In fact, he had graduated law school but failed the bar and was working as a paralegal. One of the attorneys from my firm went to work at his organization, so he came clean to me. I wasn't crazy about him for other reasons, but I really didn't like the lying, or the implication that I wouldn't have been interested in a paralegal. He passed the bar at some point and actually became a lawyer.
Splitting hairs. He was a lawyer, wasn't Esquire.
To the contrary, he has a JD. He isn't a lawyer.
He was an out of work attorney. Still, he probably should have been upfront about the fact that he was slumming it out as a paralegal.
No. Graduating from law school but not passing bar = not an attorney.
If someone graduates from medical school, but doesn't have a job, are they not a doctor?