Anonymous wrote:Not PP but I think women hate lorelei because she's hot, has family money, has a perfect daughter, and gets to help run a B&B in a cute town -

It sounds like a dream life for most women so they can't stand it when lorelei complains about stuff.

Thanks for this feedback. I think you are correct. I also hated Eat, Pray, Love I suppose for the same reason. I do enjoy witty escapist stuff, but more along the lines of British "soaps"-- Austin, Trollope, et al. I guess if it comes up I'll just have to admit that I seem a bit too jealous of Lorelei to enjoy the show.

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Anonymous wrote:I know it's slightly off-topic since we're discussing Lorelai, but I have to get this off my chest: TJ is the most annoying character on any show, anywhere. Awful, awful, like nails on a blackboard awful. I have to pretty much skip any episode in which he features prominently.

There, I feel much better!

Sally struthers, luke's daughter, sister, and dirk are pretty freaking annoying

Who's Dirk - do you mean Kirk? He's actually one of my favorites. Great comedic timing and deadpan delivery. Never fails to make me laugh. But yes, Babette and TJ are the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading a story about the costume designer / stylist for that show always had to struggle with Lauren Graham ( Lorelei). The actress wanted to wear designer clothes and of course the character was a single working mom.
I did love the clothes on that show. Even years later, I would happily wear anything Lorelei wore on that show. Doesn't help that fashion for the last couple years has been atrocious, but that's another thread.

I think a lot of this is wrong. Lorelai and Rory's wardrobe consisted mostly of jeans and cords and t shirts and occasional work outfits right up until Season 5. And throughout all the seasons, there is A LOT of repetition of their clothes, though less so for Lorelai towards the end.

One of the challenges for costume designers early on was trying to get Lorelai to look thrift shop chic. They failed and dialed it back by season 2 with more cutesy graphic tees and better fitting jeans, but no real designer clothes.

Rory's clothes get increasingly fancy, and by season 6, Lorelai is mostly in DVF wrap dresses, but by then, she is supposed to be pretty flush.

I don't think Lorelai was ever "flush" on GG, though DVF is probably readily available in Conn. thrift stores. But the jeans she wears are clearly designer...and it was before everyone was wearing designer jeans (i.e. at the leading edge of the trend).

I am pretty aware of the types of casual designer labels Lorelai wears, and I always found her wardrobe to be extremely unrealistically expensive. Casual clothes can still be designer, and she often wore clothes that seemed more expensive than she should be able to afford. She also talks a lot about shopping, including about shopping at Sephora. If she were really on a tight, single mom budget, she would wear drugstore make up.

Sorry. That's the nature of the biz. They always use designer brand and tone them down on TV. That's how wardrobe works. No one was paying attention to the labels on her jeans. This is a crazy level of nitpicking. She didnt wear Burberry or Lauren, and THAT'S what we were supposed to notice.

Also. The only time they ever mention Sephora is in reference to robbing it. And opening up one. As jokes.

Idk. You don't have to like the show. Buy I have found that people stretch for reasons to hate something AND forget that TV is fake. It's broad strokes. When did we expect our light dramas and comedies to adhere exactly to reality? GG, Friends, soaps, all the frothy atuff--theyre not documentaries or reality TV.

Both Lorelai and Rory could look very vintage thrift-shop chic at times. They had great coats! Both Lorelai and Rory were written to be "attractive," unique, bookish, intelligent, witty characters....look at the number of people who became attracted to each of them! I personally don't run across women this great IRL, and I think that was one of the reasons the show was so popular. We wanted to be friends with Lorelai and Rory.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading a story about the costume designer / stylist for that show always had to struggle with Lauren Graham ( Lorelei). The actress wanted to wear designer clothes and of course the character was a single working mom.
I did love the clothes on that show. Even years later, I would happily wear anything Lorelei wore on that show. Doesn't help that fashion for the last couple years has been atrocious, but that's another thread.

I think a lot of this is wrong. Lorelai and Rory's wardrobe consisted mostly of jeans and cords and t shirts and occasional work outfits right up until Season 5. And throughout all the seasons, there is A LOT of repetition of their clothes, though less so for Lorelai towards the end.

One of the challenges for costume designers early on was trying to get Lorelai to look thrift shop chic. They failed and dialed it back by season 2 with more cutesy graphic tees and better fitting jeans, but no real designer clothes.

Rory's clothes get increasingly fancy, and by season 6, Lorelai is mostly in DVF wrap dresses, but by then, she is supposed to be pretty flush.

I don't think Lorelai was ever "flush" on GG, though DVF is probably readily available in Conn. thrift stores. But the jeans she wears are clearly designer...and it was before everyone was wearing designer jeans (i.e. at the leading edge of the trend).

I am pretty aware of the types of casual designer labels Lorelai wears, and I always found her wardrobe to be extremely unrealistically expensive. Casual clothes can still be designer, and she often wore clothes that seemed more expensive than she should be able to afford. She also talks a lot about shopping, including about shopping at Sephora. If she were really on a tight, single mom budget, she would wear drugstore make up.

Anonymous wrote:I know it's slightly off-topic since we're discussing Lorelai, but I have to get this off my chest: TJ is the most annoying character on any show, anywhere. Awful, awful, like nails on a blackboard awful. I have to pretty much skip any episode in which he features prominently.

There, I feel much better!

Sally struthers, luke's daughter, sister, and dirk are pretty freaking annoying

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP but I think women hate lorelei because she's hot, has family money, has a perfect daughter, and gets to help run a B&B in a cute town -

It sounds like a dream life for most women so they can't stand it when lorelei complains about stuff.

In what world is she hot?

She was not un-hot as Lorelai.. Slim, tall, gorgeous eye, great smile.

I think Lauren graham is very pretty. Not a guy so I won't comment on hotness.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it does separate the show from shallow melodramas. But watching it again, the banter is still pretty shallow. And just reveals odd characters' pride (over what?). L thinks she is so great bc she grew up rich, eschewed it because she was "right," disses on her rich upbringing every chance she can get, yet takes from it. And acts like a teen brat ALLLL the way through.

Interesting, that's what I liked about the show: I could totally relate to Lorelai's complicated and irrational attitude/feelings toward her parents. I thought the show did a great job of making it clear that Emily was not a horrible person - it wasn't black and white where Lorelai = laid back and not snobby! and Emily = uptight, rich snob! Lorelai WAS an irrational brat sometime - as a lot of grown women are around their moms.

I thought watching Lorelai struggle through her feelings about her upbringing and her parents was really relateable and I can't think of another show that nails the complexities between the parent/child and mother/daughter relationship so clearly.

I agree with this. There were plenty of times Lorelai was snotty, but plenty of times she stood up for and helped Emily. She was furious with Emily after the Yale dropout thing, but she engineered the make up dinner. She bought Emily a VCR to watch her show tunes. Dumped Jason when he sued their family. I mean, I could go on for a longtime here but then all I do is show how lifeless I am that I have watched it this many times.

You have to really watch the show and you see the ways in which Emily and Lorelai equally push and pull. Like mother, like daughter.

Another theory I have: Kelly Bishop played the character so sympathetically, you couldn't help but feel for Emily. Which is interesting because Bishop is on record several times saying how much she hated the concept of Emily, and she would never be friends with someone like her in real life!

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP but I think women hate lorelei because she's hot, has family money, has a perfect daughter, and gets to help run a B&B in a cute town -

It sounds like a dream life for most women so they can't stand it when lorelei complains about stuff.

In what world is she hot?

She was not un-hot as Lorelai.. Slim, tall, gorgeous eye, great smile.

Anonymous wrote:I remember reading a story about the costume designer / stylist for that show always had to struggle with Lauren Graham ( Lorelei). The actress wanted to wear designer clothes and of course the character was a single working mom.
I did love the clothes on that show. Even years later, I would happily wear anything Lorelei wore on that show. Doesn't help that fashion for the last couple years has been atrocious, but that's another thread.

I think a lot of this is wrong. Lorelai and Rory's wardrobe consisted mostly of jeans and cords and t shirts and occasional work outfits right up until Season 5. And throughout all the seasons, there is A LOT of repetition of their clothes, though less so for Lorelai towards the end.

One of the challenges for costume designers early on was trying to get Lorelai to look thrift shop chic. They failed and dialed it back by season 2 with more cutesy graphic tees and better fitting jeans, but no real designer clothes.

Rory's clothes get increasingly fancy, and by season 6, Lorelai is mostly in DVF wrap dresses, but by then, she is supposed to be pretty flush.

Anonymous wrote:Who is TJ?

The guy who marries Luke's sister, Liz. The most grating character on the show.