Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:58
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You obviously don't have a clue about actuarial science. Just because her pulse and bp is good, and a ct of her heart and brain is normal, there are a 100 other things that can affect a persons health and mortality.Anonymous wrote:Hilary's vitals are really good. And they did a ct scan of her heart and her brain, both normal. Based on this she would be low risk from an actuarial basis.
You mean the actuarial science that greatly favors a 68-year-old woman whose mother died at 92, over a 70-year-old man whose father died in his early 70s from Alzheimer's which she was diagnosed with in his late 60s?
No, the fact that isolating someones health to one or two areas, which is that the pp did, is not enough. Family history is nice but it only plays a more significant part if there is a history of major illness and death in close family members at a young age. No one that knows anything about this would make such a statement as above. There is a reason there are a lot of questions asked about a persons health and lifestyle to determine what group they might fit in. In Hillary's case we already have a history of blood clots. Did her mother have that same history?
BTW, she is taking the coumadin for DVT and we know that is an effective treatment yet it recurred even so. But, DVT is a life threatening illness and can strike at any time and there are additional risk factors in taking blood thinners.
So, this isn't an assessment of her overall health, just rebutting the silly notion that a ct of someone's heart and brain, along with good blood pressure and heart rate, makes her a low risk from an actuarial standpoint.
I can't speak to actuarial science, but I can say that the brain CT rules out Parkinson's and stroke.
"There is no specific test for Parkinson’s disease, making it sometimes a difficult condition to diagnose, especially early on. Parkinsonism - the group of signs and symptoms of Parkinson’s disease - may have other causes, such as dementia with Lewy bodies, progressive supranuclear palsy, as well as some antipsychotic medication, toxins, head injuries, and some types of stroke."
"most MRI or CT scans of people with Parkinson's disease will appear normal."
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/info/parkinsons-disease/parkinsons-disease-diagnosis.php
Is that so?
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2014-06-12-mri-brain-scans-detect-people-early-parkinsons#
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:52
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From a real doctor
https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/05-physician-letter/HRC_physician_letter.pdf
CNN's Sanjay Gupta said there is not any new information from this release. They need to release her FULL medical records given her failing health.
Ding, ding, ding.
So CT scans and blood tests are not enough. Nothing will be ever enough
It's not just Sanjay Gupta. The CNN reporter that has been covering her also said not a lot of new information released today. I guess the blood tests may be more recent than previously released. But the records about her concussion, blood clot, hypo, frequent fainting (Bill Clinton said it then walked back) are not revealed.
I had a blood clot. There are no other records that exist after that. Once it's done, it's done
np
Look up Medical Information Bureau.
Can someone hack Hillary's?
You both are woefully uninformed.
Who is both?
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:52
Subject: Re:Clinton released health information
Why on earth do people think she has Parkinsons? My dad had Parkinson's - which really never impacted him cognitively I should add - and Hillary doesn't show any of the same physical symptoms.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:48
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From a real doctor
https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/05-physician-letter/HRC_physician_letter.pdf
CNN's Sanjay Gupta said there is not any new information from this release. They need to release her FULL medical records given her failing health.
Ding, ding, ding.
So CT scans and blood tests are not enough. Nothing will be ever enough
It's not just Sanjay Gupta. The CNN reporter that has been covering her also said not a lot of new information released today. I guess the blood tests may be more recent than previously released. But the records about her concussion, blood clot, hypo, frequent fainting (Bill Clinton said it then walked back) are not revealed.
I had a blood clot. There are no other records that exist after that. Once it's done, it's done
np
Look up Medical Information Bureau.
Can someone hack Hillary's?
You both are woefully uninformed.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:46
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Your move, Trump. Let's see your health records and your tax returns.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-campaign-releases-doctors-letter-describing-mild-pneumonia/2016/09/14/1f2d38ec-7ab3-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/campaign-releases-more-information-about-hillary-clintons-health-1473886020
You're kind of slow aren't you. He released it today and tax returns aren't a requirement. Also, he said after the audit.
Tax returns are a de facto requirement. The audit excuse is 100% bs. Not all of his returns are under audit, and the ones that are, the IRS said he was free to release them.
This. GMAFB. You're blowing smoke and ignoring history (as to what presidential candidates have done int he past with re: to tax information) and facts (with re: to the audit; IRS said not all are under audit and he CAN release them). So, you just sound unbelievably stupid repeating the party line.
As for Clinton, R's are just pissed it doesn't show her on death's door. It shows a woman who is in good shape for her age. You can request all the medical records you want. But, she's done all she needs to do. And, frankly, this medical issue is yet again just another bullshit distraction from Trump and his supporters. The cannot win on policy arguments or qualifications -they don't even try, really- so they engage in these sort of non-substantive "discussion." It's pathetic.
We Americans have every right to know her real medical problems, BEFORE we go to the polls.
No we don't. Don't like it, don't vote for her. We both know you wouldn't anyway
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:43
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Your move, Trump. Let's see your health records and your tax returns.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-campaign-releases-doctors-letter-describing-mild-pneumonia/2016/09/14/1f2d38ec-7ab3-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/campaign-releases-more-information-about-hillary-clintons-health-1473886020
You're kind of slow aren't you. He released it today and tax returns aren't a requirement. Also, he said after the audit.
Tax returns are a de facto requirement. The audit excuse is 100% bs. Not all of his returns are under audit, and the ones that are, the IRS said he was free to release them.
This. GMAFB. You're blowing smoke and ignoring history (as to what presidential candidates have done int he past with re: to tax information) and facts (with re: to the audit; IRS said not all are under audit and he CAN release them). So, you just sound unbelievably stupid repeating the party line.
As for Clinton, R's are just pissed it doesn't show her on death's door. It shows a woman who is in good shape for her age. You can request all the medical records you want. But, she's done all she needs to do. And, frankly, this medical issue is yet again just another bullshit distraction from Trump and his supporters. The cannot win on policy arguments or qualifications -they don't even try, really- so they engage in these sort of non-substantive "discussion." It's pathetic.
We Americans have every right to know her real medical problems, BEFORE we go to the polls.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:40
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Your move, Trump. Let's see your health records and your tax returns.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-campaign-releases-doctors-letter-describing-mild-pneumonia/2016/09/14/1f2d38ec-7ab3-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/campaign-releases-more-information-about-hillary-clintons-health-1473886020
You're kind of slow aren't you. He released it today and tax returns aren't a requirement. Also, he said after the audit.
Tax returns are a de facto requirement. The audit excuse is 100% bs. Not all of his returns are under audit, and the ones that are, the IRS said he was free to release them.
This. GMAFB. You're blowing smoke and ignoring history (as to what presidential candidates have done int he past with re: to tax information) and facts (with re: to the audit; IRS said not all are under audit and he CAN release them). So, you just sound unbelievably stupid repeating the party line.
As for Clinton, R's are just pissed it doesn't show her on death's door. It shows a woman who is in good shape for her age. You can request all the medical records you want. But, she's done all she needs to do. And, frankly, this medical issue is yet again just another bullshit distraction from Trump and his supporters. The cannot win on policy arguments or qualifications -they don't even try, really- so they engage in these sort of non-substantive "discussion." It's pathetic.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:04
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From a real doctor
https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/05-physician-letter/HRC_physician_letter.pdf
CNN's Sanjay Gupta said there is not any new information from this release. They need to release her FULL medical records given her failing health.
Ding, ding, ding.
So CT scans and blood tests are not enough. Nothing will be ever enough
It's not just Sanjay Gupta. The CNN reporter that has been covering her also said not a lot of new information released today. I guess the blood tests may be more recent than previously released. But the records about her concussion, blood clot, hypo, frequent fainting (Bill Clinton said it then walked back) are not revealed.
I had a blood clot. There are no other records that exist after that. Once it's done, it's done
np
Look up Medical Information Bureau.
Can someone hack Hillary's?
I would bet that those in charge of medical records are a hell of a lot better at securing that information than the DNC etc.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 21:02
Subject: Re:Clinton released health information
Not saying that this letter by her doctor is hiding anything. But, anyone with a decent level of intelligence can see that it is a carefully worded letter.
For instance "Mrs. Clinton’s current medications include (comprise or contain as part of a whole) Armor Thyroid, Coumadin dosed as directed, Levaquin (for a total ten days), Clarinex, as well as B12 as needed."
This does not rule out the fact there are no other medications. If in fact these were the only medications shouldn't the letter state, Mrs. Clinton's current medications are.....
Again, this isn't to allude there is more (unfortunately you have to state that here) but to point out that anyone that takes this as an absolute assessment of her health is being foolish. As is anyone that declares there is more without proof. Considering she is running for the highest office of the land one would hope that there isn't in fact anything else.
For instance "Mrs. Clinton’s current medications include (comprise or contain as part of a whole) Armor Thyroid, Coumadin dosed as directed, Levaquin (for a total ten days), Clarinex, as well as B12 as needed."
This does not rule out the fact there are no other medications. If in fact these were the only medications shouldn't the letter state, Mrs. Clinton's current medications are.....
Again, this isn't to allude there is more (unfortunately you have to state that here) but to point out that anyone that takes this as an absolute assessment of her health is being foolish. As is anyone that declares there is more without proof. Considering she is running for the highest office of the land one would hope that there isn't in fact anything else.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 20:55
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Ahh, but with the Clintons you have to read between the lines. They always give you a nugget of truth in their non answers. Same is true here. For example, this doctor is only attesting to "routine" care, not specialized care. And, she says Clinton has not developed any "new" issues "this year." The doc never states definitively whether she has a neuro condiction that was diagnosed in prior years.
Precisely. Always a “nugget” of truth. A very small nugget.
Well stated, pp.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 20:52
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From a real doctor
https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/05-physician-letter/HRC_physician_letter.pdf
CNN's Sanjay Gupta said there is not any new information from this release. They need to release her FULL medical records given her failing health.
Ding, ding, ding.
So CT scans and blood tests are not enough. Nothing will be ever enough
It's not just Sanjay Gupta. The CNN reporter that has been covering her also said not a lot of new information released today. I guess the blood tests may be more recent than previously released. But the records about her concussion, blood clot, hypo, frequent fainting (Bill Clinton said it then walked back) are not revealed.
I had a blood clot. There are no other records that exist after that. Once it's done, it's done
np
Look up Medical Information Bureau.
Can someone hack Hillary's?
Anonymous
09/14/2016 20:48
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hilary's vitals are really good. And they did a ct scan of her heart and her brain, both normal. Based on this she would be low risk from an actuarial basis.
You obviously don't have a clue about actuarial science. Just because her pulse and bp is good, and a ct of her heart and brain is normal, there are a 100 other things that can affect a persons health and mortality.
You can't find anything wrongs. So you're just gong to make shit up, huh?
This is like the birther bullshit over Obama's "long form" birth certificate all over again. You just weave conspiracy theories because you have nothing but dick in your hand. Deplorable.
Make shit up? Exactly what was put forth that was made up?
The "100 other things" you're making up to pretend there are health problems.
I say Donald Trump has gynocomastia. Prove me wrong.
That isn't one damn thing in my post aside from challenging the uninformed comment "low risk from an actuarial basis."
And FYI, it's gynecomastia.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 20:44
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You obviously don't have a clue about actuarial science. Just because her pulse and bp is good, and a ct of her heart and brain is normal, there are a 100 other things that can affect a persons health and mortality.Anonymous wrote:Hilary's vitals are really good. And they did a ct scan of her heart and her brain, both normal. Based on this she would be low risk from an actuarial basis.
You mean the actuarial science that greatly favors a 68-year-old woman whose mother died at 92, over a 70-year-old man whose father died in his early 70s from Alzheimer's which she was diagnosed with in his late 60s?
No, the fact that isolating someones health to one or two areas, which is that the pp did, is not enough. Family history is nice but it only plays a more significant part if there is a history of major illness and death in close family members at a young age. No one that knows anything about this would make such a statement as above. There is a reason there are a lot of questions asked about a persons health and lifestyle to determine what group they might fit in. In Hillary's case we already have a history of blood clots. Did her mother have that same history?
BTW, she is taking the coumadin for DVT and we know that is an effective treatment yet it recurred even so. But, DVT is a life threatening illness and can strike at any time and there are additional risk factors in taking blood thinners.
So, this isn't an assessment of her overall health, just rebutting the silly notion that a ct of someone's heart and brain, along with good blood pressure and heart rate, makes her a low risk from an actuarial standpoint.
I can't speak to actuarial science, but I can say that the brain CT rules out Parkinson's and stroke.
"There is no specific test for Parkinson’s disease, making it sometimes a difficult condition to diagnose, especially early on. Parkinsonism - the group of signs and symptoms of Parkinson’s disease - may have other causes, such as dementia with Lewy bodies, progressive supranuclear palsy, as well as some antipsychotic medication, toxins, head injuries, and some types of stroke."
"most MRI or CT scans of people with Parkinson's disease will appear normal."
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/info/parkinsons-disease/parkinsons-disease-diagnosis.php
Anonymous
09/14/2016 20:40
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From a real doctor
https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/05-physician-letter/HRC_physician_letter.pdf
CNN's Sanjay Gupta said there is not any new information from this release. They need to release her FULL medical records given her failing health.
Ding, ding, ding.
So CT scans and blood tests are not enough. Nothing will be ever enough
It's not just Sanjay Gupta. The CNN reporter that has been covering her also said not a lot of new information released today. I guess the blood tests may be more recent than previously released. But the records about her concussion, blood clot, hypo, frequent fainting (Bill Clinton said it then walked back) are not revealed.
I had a blood clot. There are no other records that exist after that. Once it's done, it's done
np
Look up Medical Information Bureau.
Anonymous
09/14/2016 20:15
Subject: Clinton released health information
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know what medications she has taken in the last two years. atypical antipsychotics can induce Parkinson like symptoms.
Both this letter and the one from 2015 tell you what medication she takes.
Not stating its the complete list of Meds. Just "includes". Xyz.
Hahahahahahaha.
Ok.