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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that the remaining OOB kids are all in the upper grades, and that the lower grades are at capacity with all IB kids.

That wouldn't explain 10% of the school population as being OOB. Families tend to stretch to move into AU Park for Janney and are unlikely to sell and move elsewhere in DC while their kids are still in elementary school. Rentals could explain some of the moving but it tends to be a SF homeowner area. Hate to quote Mr. Trump, but "there's something going on here."

What's going on has already been pointed out by numerous posters: the old principal and apparently the new principal let families who move very briefly into the neighborhood (usually while their permanent larger home elsewhere in the city, with lower performing schools, is being renovated) stay after they've moved out. Or were they were in the neighborhood permanently and then moved to a bigger house elsewhere and then stayed in janney. You'd be surprised how much this impacts the numbers.

If this is true, it clearly needs to stop.

Anonymous wrote:10% is 72 kids or average 2 per classroom. How would removing them change a thing? Would any grade be reduced by a full classroom if there were no OOB kids?

That wasn't the question. The question was why is there a 10% OOB population and the answer is because of the principals' decisions to grandfather people in. Is the grandfathering in a good thing or a bad thing? You'll get different opinions on that.

10% is 72 kids or average 2 per classroom. How would removing them change a thing? Would any grade be reduced by a full classroom if there were no OOB kids?

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that the remaining OOB kids are all in the upper grades, and that the lower grades are at capacity with all IB kids.

That wouldn't explain 10% of the school population as being OOB. Families tend to stretch to move into AU Park for Janney and are unlikely to sell and move elsewhere in DC while their kids are still in elementary school. Rentals could explain some of the moving but it tends to be a SF homeowner area. Hate to quote Mr. Trump, but "there's something going on here."

What's going on has already been pointed out by numerous posters: the old principal and apparently the new principal let families who move very briefly into the neighborhood (usually while their permanent larger home elsewhere in the city, with lower performing schools, is being renovated) stay after they've moved out. Or were they were in the neighborhood permanently and then moved to a bigger house elsewhere and then stayed in janney. You'd be surprised how much this impacts the numbers.

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that the remaining OOB kids are all in the upper grades, and that the lower grades are at capacity with all IB kids.

That wouldn't explain 10% of the school population as being OOB. Families tend to stretch to move into AU Park for Janney and are unlikely to sell and move elsewhere in DC while their kids are still in elementary school. Rentals could explain some of the moving but it tends to be a SF homeowner area. Hate to quote Mr. Trump, but "there's something going on here."

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Anonymous wrote:And not the other Deal/Key Feeder/mostly affluent schools? Where's the Mann hatred? Why does Lafayette not get flamed despite being pretty identical to Janney in most respects?

What am I missing?

The reason is that out of all the affluent schools in NW, Janney is the most affluent. It's human nature for the masses to not like the most affluent. It's the reason why lots of people "hate" Microsoft.

No way, Mann is far more affluent than the rest -- Spring Valley, Foxhall, Kent -- way more expensive than AU park, CCDC or the Palisades.

Yet Janney has a tick lower % of FARM. Both pretty negligible but Janney has a lower % with 2x the enrollment.

Agree that Mann is the more affluent district. The fund raising is well above any other DC public school

But that's because it's a population where a significant portion of students attend private school. But I get your point. Still, on average, I bet the Mann income greatly outpaces the Janney income, FARMS kids included.

The other schools have generally had, up until now, larger percentages of OOB students. Janney was the first to have virtually no one who is OOB. Now more of the rest of the Ward 3 schools are trending in that direction.

Not true. Mann always had fewer. In fact, Mann was the one school that was able to delay being forced into ending at 5th grade (some WOTP schools used to go to 6th) for an extra year or so. That's because all the IB students didn't want to go to Hardy, but Mann has always had more political pull. They're just subtle about it. It's like they're Kennedys and prefer privacy and discretion whereas the Janney folks are like Kardashians. They JUST WON"T SHUT UP.

IB stats:
Janney: 91%
Mann: 81%
Lafayette: 85%
Key: 83%
Murch: 61%

PS- only 61% at murch?

No, Murch is not 61%. It was 86% last year [http://murchschool.org/prospective-parents/faqs/] and has been for at least 10 years now. No new OOB students were admitted this year due to swing space limitations. It is either a typo (like previous years where DCPS put the %white as %IB and never fixed it) or DCPS is counting the grandfathered students from the boundary change that went into effect this year as OOB now, but even that wouldn't drop it to 61%, so just another DCPS error.

"Do you think they are real or is this people just trolling as Janney boosters?"

As a Janney parent for the last 8 years, my guess is a troll. I've never heard any parent say anything IRL like what is attributed to Janney parents on DCUM. Not that my experience accounts for the attitude of each and every parent there. But talking about how great the school is, or where it is "ranked," or whether it is the best "JKLM," or what the test scores are . . . that just isn't the vibe. I've heard none of it. And it certainly doesn't happen on the parent yahoo list.

What amazes me is that other people on this board actually get their feelings hurt and their panties in a bunch from statements that are supposedly attributable to Janney parents. Half the time, it is clear that the poster is being ironic or making a parody, yet some people here are so clenched that they just can't see that.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that the remaining OOB kids are all in the upper grades, and that the lower grades are at capacity with all IB kids.

Families move and at least the previous Janney principal often let them stay as OOB.

Adding - this is allowed under DCPS's current 'principal discretion' policy.

Yes, and it's ridiculous that it is permitted. There are families that fall into this category for the enormous bubble 2nd and 4th grades.

Anonymous wrote:Envy of success.

+100. Don't hate us because we're better than you.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what this thread shows again is that there are a lot of people on this forum who really love bashing Janney parents. They are like Kardashians -- they can't afford private -- they have fat butts -- they are desperate to prop up the value of their shitshacks -- other neighborhoods are so much more affluent -- they have higher crime --- bla bla bla. Do you even hear yourselves talking? Everyone I know personally in AU Park would never dream of putting others down for their lesser affluence, pedigree, or house size. I'm starting to think the Janney haters are not only EOTP but in such neighborhoods as Spring Valley or Kent, where the real snobs appear to live.

This is the most gloriously unselfaware post ever. Bless.

I wasn't putting people EOTP down, many of whom on this board are more affluent than I, have bigger and nicer houses, and may well be of more illustrious pedigree, lol. It is undeniable, however, that a lot of Janney and generally WOTP hate comes from them, not necessarily due to envy, but due to the perception that everyone WOTP is a boring suburban rich fart who is trying to avoid real city life. Your reaction to my post is a good example of this prejudice.

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+1000000. These are the same people who can't stop patting themselves on the back for living in a "diverse" neighborhood (while those of us in WOTP upper NW are boring racists). Then, at the same time, they're the ones starting the threads on "what's the latest FARMs percentage," "oh look, the OOB % has gone down," etc. Or constant posting about how "unfair" the lottery is when they can't get into a "HRCS"-- when heretofore they have never cared about the plight of inner city urban education and poverty. So gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what this thread shows again is that there are a lot of people on this forum who really love bashing Janney parents. They are like Kardashians -- they can't afford private -- they have fat butts -- they are desperate to prop up the value of their shitshacks -- other neighborhoods are so much more affluent -- they have higher crime --- bla bla bla. Do you even hear yourselves talking? Everyone I know personally in AU Park would never dream of putting others down for their lesser affluence, pedigree, or house size. I'm starting to think the Janney haters are not only EOTP but in such neighborhoods as Spring Valley or Kent, where the real snobs appear to live.

This is the most gloriously unselfaware post ever. Bless.

I wasn't putting people EOTP down, many of whom on this board are more affluent than I, have bigger and nicer houses, and may well be of more illustrious pedigree, lol. It is undeniable, however, that a lot of Janney and generally WOTP hate comes from them, not necessarily due to envy, but due to the perception that everyone WOTP is a boring suburban rich fart who is trying to avoid real city life. Your reaction to my post is a good example of this prejudice.

Hmm. I live in upper NW EOTP, and I have to say I haven't heard this sentiment IRL. A couple of times I've heard folks mention Janney and other WOTP schools in the context of unfair treatment downtown (e.g., renovations being done there first), but never bashing the actual people that live WOTP. Maybe because our friends/coworkers/etc. also live WOTP and elsewhere in the city.

Bottom line, I don't think the Janney-bashing is being done by EOTP folks, at least not in my neck of the woods. I figure we'll see you guys at Deal and Wilson anyway, and hopefully our kids will all be friends, so I don't knock the real estate choices anyone else has made.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what this thread shows again is that there are a lot of people on this forum who really love bashing Janney parents. They are like Kardashians -- they can't afford private -- they have fat butts -- they are desperate to prop up the value of their shitshacks -- other neighborhoods are so much more affluent -- they have higher crime --- bla bla bla. Do you even hear yourselves talking? Everyone I know personally in AU Park would never dream of putting others down for their lesser affluence, pedigree, or house size. I'm starting to think the Janney haters are not only EOTP but in such neighborhoods as Spring Valley or Kent, where the real snobs appear to live.

This is the most gloriously unselfaware post ever. Bless.

I wasn't putting people EOTP down, many of whom on this board are more affluent than I, have bigger and nicer houses, and may well be of more illustrious pedigree, lol. It is undeniable, however, that a lot of Janney and generally WOTP hate comes from them, not necessarily due to envy, but due to the perception that everyone WOTP is a boring suburban rich fart who is trying to avoid real city life. Your reaction to my post is a good example of this prejudice.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, what this thread shows again is that there are a lot of people on this forum who really love bashing Janney parents. They are like Kardashians -- they can't afford private -- they have fat butts -- they are desperate to prop up the value of their shitshacks -- other neighborhoods are so much more affluent -- they have higher crime --- bla bla bla. Do you even hear yourselves talking? Everyone I know personally in AU Park would never dream of putting others down for their lesser affluence, pedigree, or house size. I'm starting to think the Janney haters are not only EOTP but in such neighborhoods as Spring Valley or Kent, where the real snobs appear to live.

This is the most gloriously unselfaware post ever. Bless.

I wasn't putting people EOTP down, many of whom on this board are more affluent than I, have bigger and nicer houses, and may well be of more illustrious pedigree, lol. It is undeniable, however, that a lot of Janney and generally WOTP hate comes from them, not necessarily due to envy, but due to the perception that everyone WOTP is a boring suburban rich fart who is trying to avoid real city life. Your reaction to my post is a good example of this prejudice.

Anonymous wrote:Well, what this thread shows again is that there are a lot of people on this forum who really love bashing Janney parents. They are like Kardashians -- they can't afford private -- they have fat butts -- they are desperate to prop up the value of their shitshacks -- other neighborhoods are so much more affluent -- they have higher crime --- bla bla bla. Do you even hear yourselves talking? Everyone I know personally in AU Park would never dream of putting others down for their lesser affluence, pedigree, or house size. I'm starting to think the Janney haters are not only EOTP but in such neighborhoods as Spring Valley or Kent, where the real snobs appear to live.

This is the most gloriously unselfaware post ever. Bless.

Anonymous wrote:I have a different theory on the most obnoxious of the Janney boosting: real estate marketers.

They believe in the marketing theory that if you say it often enough, people will believe it, and it becomes its own thing. This has been a great way to increase the market in AU park for a certain group of real estate agents who otherwise are not ethically allowed to discuss schools.

This. My new friend just said that they were going to buy in Janney because Janney is the best.Didn't get the chance to ask her why she thinks so, but she knows about DCUM.
Haven't seen her since the test scores were made public, but I will ask about the "best" when I see her.