Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:27     Subject: Re:Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:Can we have a do over? Maybe Rubio or pence versus this Caine guy?


No. That's not how it works. Just because you're scared doesn't mean "we" (you) get a do over. I'm pretty happy with Trump as the republican candidate.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:27     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, these insane Bernie supporters who are anti-corporatist turn to....trump? He is corporatist personified.


Trump is also considered anti-establishment and has already taken out he GOP establishment. Electing trump would cause the DNC to have to be re-done and accept Bernie in 4 years.
Do you have any flipping idea how old Bernie is? He will be fortunate to be alive and living independently in 4 years.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:26     Subject: Re:Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can we have a do over? Maybe Rubio or pence versus this Caine guy?


Kaine Mutiny?

Kaine v. Pence! Now that would bring some adults into politics again. The system is broken when the two main political parties in the world's most important democracy nominate Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. I know that there are women of a certain age who are emotionally invested in HRC as a candidate and as a cause, but she is nothing more than Nixon in a pantsuit.


This is an elephant's dung worth of sexism.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:23     Subject: Re:Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can we have a do over? Maybe Rubio or pence versus this Caine guy?


Kaine Mutiny?

Kaine v. Pence! Now that would bring some adults into politics again. The system is broken when the two main political parties in the world's most important democracy nominate Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. I know that there are women of a certain age who are emotionally invested in HRC as a candidate and as a cause, but she is nothing more than Nixon in a pantsuit.


What a sad creature you are.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:18     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:Trump has received a sizable bounce after the convention.

"Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.

The new findings mark Trump's best showing in a CNN/ORC Poll against Clinton since September 2015. Trump's new edge rests largely on increased support among independents, 43% of whom said that Trump's convention in Cleveland left them more likely to back him, while 41% were dissuaded. Pre-convention, independents split 34% Clinton to 31% Trump, with sizable numbers behind Johnson (22%) and Stein (10%). Now, 46% say they back Trump, 28% Clinton, 15% Johnson and 4% Stein.

Beyond boosting his overall support, Trump's favorability rating is also on the rise (46% of registered voters say they have a positive view, up from 39% pre-convention), while his advantage over Clinton on handling top issues climbs. He now holds double-digit margins over Clinton as more trusted on the economy and terrorism. Trump also cut into Clinton's edge on managing foreign policy (50% said they trusted her more, down from 57% pre-convention).

Clinton's ratings on these same measures took a hit, though in most cases her drop-off was not quite as large as Trump's gain. Perhaps most troubling for the Clinton supporters gathering in Philadelphia this week: 68% now say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, her worst rating on that measure in CNN/ORC polling."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

The last CNN/ORC poll before the convention showed Clinton leading Trump by 7 points in a two way match up - a swing of 10 points based on the new poll.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/07/17/rel8a.-.2016.pdf


Morning Consult just came out this morning that Trump is leading Clinton 44 - 40.

https://morningconsult.com/
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:12     Subject: Re:Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:Can we have a do over? Maybe Rubio or pence versus this Caine guy?


Kaine Mutiny?

Kaine v. Pence! Now that would bring some adults into politics again. The system is broken when the two main political parties in the world's most important democracy nominate Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. I know that there are women of a certain age who are emotionally invested in HRC as a candidate and as a cause, but she is nothing more than Nixon in a pantsuit.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 11:10     Subject: Re:Did someone say post convention bounce?
Nate Silver's latest projection is that if the election were held today, Trump has a greater likelihood of winning the election than Clinton.

This will come as a shock to posters here who have been citing Silver repeatedly projecting that Clinton would win.

"In his "Now-cast" election model for who would win if ballots were cast Monday, Silver gave the Republican nominee a 57.5% chance of winning the presidency.

Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton had a 42.5% chance of securing the nation's highest office if voters were to take to the polls Monday.

Silver's model had Trump winning in the swing states of Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. He would win 285 electoral votes in Silver's model.

It's the first time in Silver's "Now-cast" forecast that Trump has been projected to win."

http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-donald-trump-polls-2016-7
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:47     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, these insane Bernie supporters who are anti-corporatist turn to....trump? He is corporatist personified.


Trump is also considered anti-establishment and has already taken out he GOP establishment. Electing trump would cause the DNC to have to be re-done and accept Bernie in 4 years.

Bernie is not running in 4 years. And Bernie himself does not want this
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:45     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:So, these insane Bernie supporters who are anti-corporatist turn to....trump? He is corporatist personified.


Trump is also considered anti-establishment and has already taken out he GOP establishment. Electing trump would cause the DNC to have to be re-done and accept Bernie in 4 years.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:43     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, these insane Bernie supporters who are anti-corporatist turn to....trump? He is corporatist personified.


That's why no one is mourning them.


They are not the majority of Bernie supporters, who are by and large sane people who actually care about the country.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:39     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:So, these insane Bernie supporters who are anti-corporatist turn to....trump? He is corporatist personified.


That's why no one is mourning them.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:29     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
So, these insane Bernie supporters who are anti-corporatist turn to....trump? He is corporatist personified.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:28     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Don't jump about the bounce just yet.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:25     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a pretty staunch conservative, not a Bernie fan, but what they did to him is horrendous! The man might not share my values, but I can say that he is honest and passionate in his views, and I admire those things about him. He tried to run a fair campaign against some of the most dishonest people in the country.

If nothing else, I hope his run for presidency shakes up the system and forces necessary changes.


+1

I know it's a just A small sample size but I work with a lot of Bernie supporters. Everything the one of them is angry at what Bernie did, he should have donated that money to charity. I disagreed with Bernie I don't want to Key issues but I respected him. I do not respect him anymore


It is easy to go overboard on this. I think most Bernie supporters share the long term goals of the Democratic party and will vote for the candidate mostly likely to actually sign legislation that Sanders himself would promote. For example, ACA is not perfect, but it is a hell of lot closer to providing coverage for all than anything the GOP would support.

For whatever reason, there is an especially noisy faction of Bernie supporters, especially online, who are playing a different game. They seem to be more "anti-corporation" than "pro-" anything that would realistically benefit the average worker. The Democrats have never been and will never be "anti-corporation".

Hopefully after this week all of their grievances will have been aired and there can be a respectful parting of the ways. I'd love to see some of that energy going into building a new party from the ground up; forget Jill Stein, how about getting some mayors and city councilmen elected.


+1
Quite apart from the fact that Sanders would have been crushed in a national election, what is with the sudden urge to create a movement from the top down? I want a more progressive party. I want a more progressive country. But start it at the grassroots, where these things tend to start meaningfully.
Anonymous
Post 07/25/2016 10:12     Subject: Did someone say post convention bounce?
I bet all these leaked emails from the DNC prevents any type of Hillary convention bounce, keep it coming!