Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

"Secular" is not a synonym for "democracy". Maybe that is your problem. You are too stupid to understand fundamental concepts. Again, if the military is more democratic than Erdogan, why is not one single opposition party supporting the coup.

Moreover, it seems that the military is not united. This is not a question of supporting or not supporting the military, but rather whether you support the part of the military that are with the government or those with the coup. Why are you supporting a group of putschists that don't appear to have any domestic support?

Who opposed the rise of Hitler? What would you do if you lived in fear? Sometimes no one recognizes right action. Does that not make it right? Were the students in TIANAMMEN NOT RIGHT because NOONE SUPPORTED THEM? You sir, are no friend ofTurkey.

You are a lunatic. I'm not fan of Erdogan, but he is no Hitler. No friend of Turkey would support this coup which will result in nothing but death, destruction, and less democracy.

It is interesting that this insane person is fully in support of the coup while other posters are convinced the entire thing was orchestrated by Erdogan himself. If those posters are correct, this idiot is actually supporting Erdogan's Potemkin coup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan

Do you remember Neda???? Did anyone support her? Was she in the wrong because she had NO SUPPORT??

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

"Secular" is not a synonym for "democracy". Maybe that is your problem. You are too stupid to understand fundamental concepts. Again, if the military is more democratic than Erdogan, why is not one single opposition party supporting the coup.

Moreover, it seems that the military is not united. This is not a question of supporting or not supporting the military, but rather whether you support the part of the military that are with the government or those with the coup. Why are you supporting a group of putschists that don't appear to have any domestic support?

Who opposed the rise of Hitler? What would you do if you lived in fear? Sometimes no one recognizes right action. Does that not make it right? Were the students in TIANAMMEN NOT RIGHT because NOONE SUPPORTED THEM? You sir, are no friend ofTurkey.

Live stream of CNN Turkey. No one's at the desks, as it was evacuated by the military. But still broadcasting. You can hear chanting in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ&feature=youtu.be

I'm far from an expert, but the ignorance of Turkish history and politics displayed so far in this thread is nauseating.

If backwards forces in America became the 'majority', should we all go there?

Long Live Ataturk. God bless free and secular Turkey.

http://www.biography.com/people/mustafa-kemal-ataturk-20968109#synopsis

Presidency

Mustafa Kemal's first order of business was to modernize and secularize the country, which he did by studying Western governments and adapting their structure for the people of Turkey. He believed that modernization necessarily entailed Westernization, and he established a policy of state secularism, with a constitution that separated the government from religion.

Social and economic reforms were a crucial part of his strategy as well. He replaced the Arabic alphabet with a Latin one, introduced the Gregorian calendar and urged people to dress in Western clothes. Mustafa industrialized the nation, establishing state-owned factories around the country as well as a railway network. And a multitude of new laws established legal equality between the sexes. Mustafa removed women’s veiling laws and gave women the right to vote.

Although he believed he was advancing the country, not all of Mustafa Kemal’s reforms were warmly received. His policy of state secularism was particularly controversial, and he was accused of decimating important cultural traditions.

Anonymous wrote:Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

"Secular" is not a synonym for "democracy". Maybe that is your problem. You are too stupid to understand fundamental concepts. Again, if the military is more democratic than Erdogan, why is not one single opposition party supporting the coup.

Moreover, it seems that the military is not united. This is not a question of supporting or not supporting the military, but rather whether you support the part of the military that are with the government or those with the coup. Why are you supporting a group of putschists that don't appear to have any domestic support?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turkish friends and (extended) family both here and abroad are saying this may be a fake coup, totally not beneath the capability of Erdogan to stage it himself in order to extend his powers.

If it's a fake coup, it's doing a lot of damage. Bombing the parliament building, bombing in Istanbul. Police officers killed, gunfire, planes, helicopters and tanks shooting.

More like a battle than a coup.

^^^ Maybe no bombings? People are tweeting that they hear bombs, other people are tweeting that there is no fire, no smoke, no bombs, lots of sonic booms.

It's very difficult to know what is happening right now in Turkey.

Less free, or MORE FREE? Since Erdogan is a Chavez style democratic president. Turkeys military have long seen themselves as trustees of democracy. DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TURKEY????????? I NEVER insult online, but you sir are an idiot.


http://www.newmilfordspectrum.com/news/world/article/Turkish-military-has-a-history-of-staging-coups-8381396.php


"WHY WOULD THE MILITARY INTERVENE IN GOVERNMENT?

The Turkish military has traditionally seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's old secular establishment, a legacy of national founder and former army officer Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as well as an enforcer of order in times of civil unrest and weak civilian leadership
"

Anonymous wrote:Do you not know that Turkeys vaunted growth since Ataturk was protected by military coups????? YOU are the Idiot in this case. YOU SIR ARE A TOTAL IDIOT.

I may be an idiot, but I"m an idiot that supports democracy. You, on the other hand, are an idiot that support that military dictatorship. If you are so smart, why isn't one single opposition party supporting the coup? Why are Erdogan's enemies opposing the coup? They know as well as you do that a military dictatorship would have no room for opposition parties.

Do you not know that Turkeys vaunted growth since Ataturk was protected by military coups????? YOU are the Idiot in this case. YOU SIR ARE A TOTAL IDIOT.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Turkey has a long proud history as a secular republic. Was Ataturk heavy handed to achieve this? Yes Did it benefit Turkey? Oh yes.
Erdogan is an Islamic quasi dictator. So sad if he prevails.
So sad.

Once again we see the commitment of Americans to democracy. Turn on your TV and see what the people of Turkey think about the coup.

A FAKE democracy. LIKE Venezuela. Totally manipulated by Erdogan, over a decade in power. MORE JOURNALISTS IMPRISONED THERE THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. You sir are an idiot.

Idiots are people like yourself who believe that a military dictatorship is preferable to a less-than-perfect democracy. Have you checked how many journalists have been arrested by Sisi's government in Egypt? A bunch of idiots like yourself thought that would be a good democratic transition as well.

Think this through. If the coup succeeds -- pretty clear it won't -- it will be less democratic and less free. If the coup fails, Erdogan will be strengthened and even less democratic than he is now. There is no more democratic option on the table, which is why coups like this are stupid and only supported by stupid people.

Anonymous wrote:Turkish friends and (extended) family both here and abroad are saying this may be a fake coup, totally not beneath the capability of Erdogan to stage it himself in order to extend his powers.

If it's a fake coup, it's doing a lot of damage. Bombing the parliament building, bombing in Istanbul. Police officers killed, gunfire, planes, helicopters and tanks shooting.

More like a battle than a coup.

And has Obama voiced his support of Erdogan?
Turned his back on Green Revolution in Iran
Turned his back on moderate Syrian rebels
So, So disappointed.


http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-07-15/obama-all-parties-in-turkey-should-support-erdogan-govt

Turkish friends and (extended) family both here and abroad are saying this may be a fake coup, totally not beneath the capability of Erdogan to stage it himself in order to extend his powers.