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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

This is a good article explaining how difficult, and dangerous, a rescue attempt would have been, even if forces were closer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-delusion-that-the-americans-in-benghazi-could-have-been-saved/2016/06/29/056e93ca-3e2b-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

All these armchair military strategists annoy the heck out of me.

I guess we could have traded some dangerous terrorists for them..

Paronto says otherwise. He was on the ground. Was the Post reporter?

Who else? It takes more than one person to go forward with an operation like that.

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

This is a good article explaining how difficult, and dangerous, a rescue attempt would have been, even if forces were closer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-delusion-that-the-americans-in-benghazi-could-have-been-saved/2016/06/29/056e93ca-3e2b-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

All these armchair military strategists annoy the heck out of me.

I guess we could have traded some dangerous terrorists for them..

Paronto says otherwise. He was on the ground. Was the Post reporter?

I don't think you understand what goes into making these types of decisions. If you care to share your qualifications that would prove otherwise, please do. Otherwise maybe it's time to accept the findings of multiple investigations and move on with your life.

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Dorothy Woods, the widow of Tyron Woods just ripped Hillary for her "it's time to move on" comments on CNN.

I can feel her pain that the politicians partly responsible for her husband's death have the nerve to tell her to move on.

Was this on TV? I see nothing online.

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don't remember the exact quote, but former Secretary Gates once said that laypeople sometimes have a "cartoonish" view of the military. i think it's true. I for one, have no idea what level of planning, personnel, tools, or on-the-ground intelligence would be necessary to conduct such a rescue operation. Maybe others here do. But I think we can all agree that the last thing you want to do is organize a hasty peration that would overly endanger those being sent in. Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, right?

Well, here is a clue:

This occurred on Sept 11. That is a significant date. According to the White House release on Sept. 10, plans were in place for contingencies of problems on Sept 11. Obviously, that was not true. Here is another clue: the military's job is to be ready for unexpected events. Combat ready groups are supposed to be able to begin operations to move out immediately. Again, something went dreadfully wrong in this instance. Was there no plan at all in place to evacuate in an emergency? Certainly, there were reasons to anticipate that it might be necessary. Aside from the fact that this was Sept 11, other countries had left their facilities in Benghazi because of problems.

As for the group in Tripoli, it was small and did not get there as soon as it could have. State had rejected an offer by the military to keep a team in place. If you watched the hearings, you would know this.

Yes, it does take a lot of planning--but it is done prior to the event. It may surprise some of you to know that military units train for events such as these That is their purpose.

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Dorothy Woods, the widow of Tyron Woods just ripped Hillary for her "it's time to move on" comments on CNN.

I can feel her pain that the politicians partly responsible for her husband's death have the nerve to tell her to move on.

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Dorothy Woods, the widow of Tyron Woods just ripped Hillary for her "it's time to move on" comments on CNN.

I can feel her pain that the politicians partly responsible for her husband's death have the nerve to tell her to move on.

don't remember the exact quote, but former Secretary Gates once said that laypeople sometimes have a "cartoonish" view of the military. i think it's true. I for one, have no idea what level of planning, personnel, tools, or on-the-ground intelligence would be necessary to conduct such a rescue operation. Maybe others here do. But I think we can all agree that the last thing you want to do is organize a hasty peration that would overly endanger those being sent in. Reinforcements were sent from Tripoli, right?

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

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+1. Those of you who are so obsessed over Bengahazi- were you this upset over the attacks on the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya? Maybe, because there was a Clinton in the White House. How about the attacks on rhe Karachi consulate or the dozen or so other attacks on embassies/consulates during the Bush administration? Were you satisfied with the level of scrutiny these attacks were given (which I'm pretty sure was far less than the attention given Benghazi)? Why or why not?

Please tell me how many of those attacks lasted thirteen hours?

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+1. Those of you who are so obsessed over Bengahazi- were you this upset over the attacks on the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya? Maybe, because there was a Clinton in the White House. How about the attacks on rhe Karachi consulate or the dozen or so other attacks on embassies/consulates during the Bush administration? Were you satisfied with the level of scrutiny these attacks were given (which I'm pretty sure was far less than the attention given Benghazi)? Why or why not?

Please tell me how many of those attacks lasted thirteen hours?

+1. Those of you who are so obsessed over Bengahazi- were you this upset over the attacks on the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya? Maybe, because there was a Clinton in the White House. How about the attacks on rhe Karachi consulate or the dozen or so other attacks on embassies/consulates during the Bush administration? Were you satisfied with the level of scrutiny these attacks were given (which I'm pretty sure was far less than the attention given Benghazi)? Why or why not?

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

YOU are the ones playing politics with Sean Smith's death. YOU are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this woman's grief. And you have the gall to point fingers at people who disagree with your hateful paranoid, political masturbation?!?

Sean Smith died in the compound with the Stevens. It was Woods that died on the roof, waiting for help that never came. Bled to death over a long period of time. If you are going to accuse people of playing politics, perhaps you should learn what really fucking happened, eh?

Look at their faces. Burn them into your memory. And have some God damn respect:

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/06/14/the-rest-of-the-benghazi-story-tyrone-woods-and-glen-doherty/

Now that Gowdy has spoken, you can take your politics. It's done, at least until the next committee starts.

It's not done. It's never done. Those men deserve more than liberals will ever think to give them.

Oh give it a rest. This is about Hillary Clinton and you are using the dead as a political game. There was no solemnity for the dead on Wine Wednesdays, with their engraved glasses.

See bolded. And go to hell.

Would you like to speak to the failures under Bush that led to dozens of embassy deaths? Can you speak to the Republicans who cut the funding for security? No. Go to hell yourself, because you can't name a single embassy that was attacked under Bush. This is politics for you and you're a dick for pretending otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

This is a good article explaining how difficult, and dangerous, a rescue attempt would have been, even if forces were closer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-delusion-that-the-americans-in-benghazi-could-have-been-saved/2016/06/29/056e93ca-3e2b-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

All these armchair military strategists annoy the heck out of me.

I guess we could have traded some dangerous terrorists for them..

Paronto says otherwise. He was on the ground. Was the Post reporter?