August bday boy parent here. Does seem that the age norm helped him. Way better scores that I imagined including a high 90s score in the quantitative for a kid that still gets an occasional I in math.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

do you understand what an age based norm is? it means the child will only be compared to kids the exact same age.

But that can be about one year apart. I think one year at that age can be significant. So, I agree, a child with an August bday wouldn't have an advantage over a child with a bday just after the cut off. It would be the other way around.

age normed would be for kids the SAME AGE - for example 7 years and 1 month. Not all the kids in the class. If they are comparing all the kids in the class that is "grade norming".

I would think age normed is by year, not by month. Is there anywhere it states it's by month? A redshirted kid would not be in the same group for "age normed"; the kid would be in the group for "grade normed" however.

If that is the case then what is the difference between age normed and grade normed? They would be nearly identical using your definition and so why would Inview score both? I'm quite sure it is by month but I don't know where it is specified.

Not PP. They are completely different but any given student might be in the same stanine on both scales. Grade normed means calculate statistics by grade (and usually not just year but again months of school completed when the test was administered, the sample report linked above says the grade is 2.6) without regard to age. Age normed means compare by age without regard to grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

do you understand what an age based norm is? it means the child will only be compared to kids the exact same age.

But that can be about one year apart. I think one year at that age can be significant. So, I agree, a child with an August bday wouldn't have an advantage over a child with a bday just after the cut off. It would be the other way around.

age normed would be for kids the SAME AGE - for example 7 years and 1 month. Not all the kids in the class. If they are comparing all the kids in the class that is "grade norming".

I would think age normed is by year, not by month. Is there anywhere it states it's by month? A redshirted kid would not be in the same group for "age normed"; the kid would be in the group for "grade normed" however.

If that is the case then what is the difference between age normed and grade normed? They would be nearly identical using your definition and so why would Inview score both? I'm quite sure it is by month but I don't know where it is specified.

There was more info about age norming on one of the HGC threads, because the metrics were provided due to an appeal. Yes, by month so the younger kids received boosts.

Anonymous wrote:Age normed is by month, not year. An August birthday (younger than most classmates in grade) can miss more questions than a December or September, etc. birthday (older than most classmates in grade) to achieve the same score. For the HGC test, parents are given both the age normed scores as well as the raw scores.

where does it say this?

Age normed is by month, not year. An August birthday (younger than most classmates in grade) can miss more questions than a December or September, etc. birthday (older than most classmates in grade) to achieve the same score. For the HGC test, parents are given both the age normed scores as well as the raw scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

do you understand what an age based norm is? it means the child will only be compared to kids the exact same age.

But that can be about one year apart. I think one year at that age can be significant. So, I agree, a child with an August bday wouldn't have an advantage over a child with a bday just after the cut off. It would be the other way around.

age normed would be for kids the SAME AGE - for example 7 years and 1 month. Not all the kids in the class. If they are comparing all the kids in the class that is "grade norming".

I would think age normed is by year, not by month. Is there anywhere it states it's by month? A redshirted kid would not be in the same group for "age normed"; the kid would be in the group for "grade normed" however.

So, when we're talking about percentiles, which is what you get back on the InView, "The National Percentile by Age (NPA) is based on a student’s cognitive ability with respect to students of the same age, regardless of their grade in school." So, at the margins, the oldest kids in the grade, who may be compared to kids who have had more schooling because some of the other test takers are in a higher grade in school and may have been exposed to more instruction, are more likely to have to score a bit better to earn the same percentile. The youngest students, who are more likely to be compared to some other test takers in a lower grade because of cut-off dates, may be able to miss a few more questions to earn an identical percentile. For the kids in the middle of the pack, it will be unlikely to matter.

This link shows that Inview scores both by Age Normed and Grade Normed (NPA and NPG columns on the table). However I believe that the scores we get from MCPS are Age Normed.

https://www.neisd.net/test/documents/2ndGradeInViewBrochure2010.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

do you understand what an age based norm is? it means the child will only be compared to kids the exact same age.

But that can be about one year apart. I think one year at that age can be significant. So, I agree, a child with an August bday wouldn't have an advantage over a child with a bday just after the cut off. It would be the other way around.

age normed would be for kids the SAME AGE - for example 7 years and 1 month. Not all the kids in the class. If they are comparing all the kids in the class that is "grade norming".

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

do you understand what an age based norm is? it means the child will only be compared to kids the exact same age.

But that can be about one year apart. I think one year at that age can be significant. So, I agree, a child with an August bday wouldn't have an advantage over a child with a bday just after the cut off. It would be the other way around.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

do you understand what an age based norm is? it means the child will only be compared to kids the exact same age.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Not true. PP does have an advantage for an August child since s/he might be up to 11 months younger than other kids in the class taking the same test, and scores will be boosted relative to those older kids.

Anonymous wrote:Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!

well only if its a grade based norm. Not if its an age based norm which from other posters it sounds like it is.

Finally a test my august boy has a leg up on!