Science is science. You don't get to pick and choose.

^ oops, I forgot to mention "and a refuting website: talkorigins.org".

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

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My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

Thank you for this comment, I appreciate it (I'm OP). I'm still trying to understand and learn and reconcile this all in my head. I want so badly to have faith, yet as I grow as a Christian, I find myself doubting more and more each week. It makes me want to stop asking questions all together and just go on my merry (ignorant?) way again.

So, I asked my SS class, why must I believe they are mutually exclusive (creation and evolution), and the short answer (or what I took away from it, anyway) was: The Bible says all life forms appeared at once, while evolution does not. Have you ever asked yourself this question and if so, how do you get past it?

I did find a website AnswersinGenesis.org that has been answering some questions, but it also is causing me even more questions. :/

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

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My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

Well, someone taught you about faith, right?

your parents? your Sunday school teacher?

You didn't suddenly wake up and say, "Wow! Some all-knowing and very powerful entity, who has always existed, created the world." Someone put that tale in your head starting at a young age. Some people grow out of fairy tales; others believe them until they die.

And if God was the force behind evolution, why would he/she/it take so long to create a human? The oldest form of life has been dated back over 4m years. Homo sapiens (us) are only about 100,000 years old. So an all-loving entity (doubtful considering our world is a hot mess) decided to "Do a Darwin" when she/he/it created the world.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that some sentient being would act in this manner.

"God's way are not our ways" -- that's another thing taught in Sunday school that helps those blessed with faith to carry on.

And yet you have no answer for me?

Those teaching Sunday school were brainwashed at a young age to believe in these tales.

To you (and them), these stories are taught at truths.

People are offended when posters mention Santa and the Easter Bunny. But what's the difference? And they're even offended when these Christian tales are compared to pagan beliefs.

Stories were created to help ancient beings make sense of the world.

Remember that world was once flat and great sea monsters ruled the waters.

Angry, angry, irrational. This is the first time I've been back on this thread in almost a month; the other pp was just another kind person answering. You know anyone can answer on this forum, right?

My answer to your inane question: I neither know nor care. I didn't claim any of what you wrote; you wrote those words. I have no problem with my faith or with science. God exists. We evolved. I get proof of one and have faith in the other.

You seem to have a lot of inchoate anger, though. Peace be with you.

Where's the inchoate anger in stating simpe facts?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

+1
My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

Well, someone taught you about faith, right?

your parents? your Sunday school teacher?

You didn't suddenly wake up and say, "Wow! Some all-knowing and very powerful entity, who has always existed, created the world." Someone put that tale in your head starting at a young age. Some people grow out of fairy tales; others believe them until they die.

And if God was the force behind evolution, why would he/she/it take so long to create a human? The oldest form of life has been dated back over 4m years. Homo sapiens (us) are only about 100,000 years old. So an all-loving entity (doubtful considering our world is a hot mess) decided to "Do a Darwin" when she/he/it created the world.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that some sentient being would act in this manner.

"God's way are not our ways" -- that's another thing taught in Sunday school that helps those blessed with faith to carry on.

And yet you have no answer for me?

Those teaching Sunday school were brainwashed at a young age to believe in these tales.

To you (and them), these stories are taught at truths.

People are offended when posters mention Santa and the Easter Bunny. But what's the difference? And they're even offended when these Christian tales are compared to pagan beliefs.

Stories were created to help ancient beings make sense of the world.

Remember that world was once flat and great sea monsters ruled the waters.

Angry, angry, irrational. This is the first time I've been back on this thread in almost a month; the other pp was just another kind person answering. You know anyone can answer on this forum, right?

My answer to your inane question: I neither know nor care. I didn't claim any of what you wrote; you wrote those words. I have no problem with my faith or with science. God exists. We evolved. I get proof of one and have faith in the other.

You seem to have a lot of inchoate anger, though. Peace be with you.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

+1
My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

Well, someone taught you about faith, right?

your parents? your Sunday school teacher?

You didn't suddenly wake up and say, "Wow! Some all-knowing and very powerful entity, who has always existed, created the world." Someone put that tale in your head starting at a young age. Some people grow out of fairy tales; others believe them until they die.

And if God was the force behind evolution, why would he/she/it take so long to create a human? The oldest form of life has been dated back over 4m years. Homo sapiens (us) are only about 100,000 years old. So an all-loving entity (doubtful considering our world is a hot mess) decided to "Do a Darwin" when she/he/it created the world.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that some sentient being would act in this manner.

"God's way are not our ways" -- that's another thing taught in Sunday school that helps those blessed with faith to carry on.

And yet you have no answer for me?

Those teaching Sunday school were brainwashed at a young age to believe in these tales.

To you (and them), these stories are taught at truths.

People are offended when posters mention Santa and the Easter Bunny. But what's the difference? And they're even offended when these Christian tales are compared to pagan beliefs.

Stories were created to help ancient beings make sense of the world.

Remember that world was once flat and great sea monsters ruled the waters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

+1
My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

Well, someone taught you about faith, right?

your parents? your Sunday school teacher?

You didn't suddenly wake up and say, "Wow! Some all-knowing and very powerful entity, who has always existed, created the world." Someone put that tale in your head starting at a young age. Some people grow out of fairy tales; others believe them until they die.

And if God was the force behind evolution, why would he/she/it take so long to create a human? The oldest form of life has been dated back over 4m years. Homo sapiens (us) are only about 100,000 years old. So an all-loving entity (doubtful considering our world is a hot mess) decided to "Do a Darwin" when she/he/it created the world.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that some sentient being would act in this manner.

"God's way are not our ways" -- that's another thing taught in Sunday school that helps those blessed with faith to carry on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

+1
My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

Well, someone taught you about faith, right?

your parents? your Sunday school teacher?

You didn't suddenly wake up and say, "Wow! Some all-knowing and very powerful entity, who has always existed, created the world." Someone put that tale in your head starting at a young age. Some people grow out of fairy tales; others believe them until they die.

And if God was the force behind evolution, why would he/she/it take so long to create a human? The oldest form of life has been dated back over 4m years. Homo sapiens (us) are only about 100,000 years old. So an all-loving entity (doubtful considering our world is a hot mess) decided to "Do a Darwin" when she/he/it created the world.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that some sentient being would act in this manner.

For the OP, here's a very interesting article on research into evolution.

http://m.nautil.us/issue/34/adaptation/if-the-world-began-again-would-life-as-we-know-it-exist-rp

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Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

+1
My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

+1 If God loves us and wants us to love him and requires that we believe in him in order to have eternal life, it doesn't make sense that he would purposely make it hard to believe in him and use the rational minds he gave us to understand the world he put us in.

Anonymous wrote:OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

+1
My faith in the Lord is strong enough that it doesn't need to be taught in school. It's also not so limited that I can't simultaneously believe in God and understand that evolution is the mechanism through which I evolved. It took me a long time to see that, OP.

OP, if your church is holding classes teaching Intelligent Design with the purpose of lobbying for it to be taught in public schools, your church is part of the "American Taliban" that you seem to deride in your follow up post.

Anonymous wrote:smarty-pants scientists = people who actually know stuff

No, the smart-pants ones are the ones that enjoy feeling more intelligent than others, and in making others feel stupid. But most scientists are nice, normal people who study hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Please excuse the questions, but is evolution really science? I thought it was a theory. It's neither testable nor reproducible nor observable. Thought you needed those things to validate a scientific theory.

It is testable and reproducible -- scientists have done many studies or smaller organism, such as bacteria and fruit flies, that show how mutations at the individual level over time lead to larger changes at the community level.

It is also observable, through the fossil record.

This is horse shit. There is zero proof it ever happened. It's a THEORY - that means it's not a FACT. It's a generally accepted best scientific guess. That's it.

Sure, we have fossils. That does not in any way prove there was a bang in the sky of large meteorites that produced a life form. No scientist on earth has ever taken rocks or meteorites and created a life. This is utter nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Please excuse the questions, but is evolution really science? I thought it was a theory. It's neither testable nor reproducible nor observable. Thought you needed those things to validate a scientific theory.

It is testable and reproducible -- scientists have done many studies or smaller organism, such as bacteria and fruit flies, that show how mutations at the individual level over time lead to larger changes at the community level.

It is also observable, through the fossil record.

Do those bacteria and fruit fly studies show a mutation to a new species, or just a change in the community? I'm sure traits within a community change, but that's not the same thing as a species change. I'm not sure how fossils can show a change from one species to another. I'd be happy to be enlightened.

Why don't you ask God to tell you.

He already told us. The Bible says he created everything. But that you won't believe.

Not the poster you're replying to here. Why should we even believe The Bible? Note: saying something like "because it's true" or "because it's the word of God" requires you have proof of that outside of the Bible itself.