Anonymous wrote:PP, Thanks for answering. There may be more SN kids in your grade since it is bigger.

until this year I was not aware of any other kids with IEPs in our grade, and certainly not in our class. This year there is one other in our class, and I don't know about other kids in other classes.

and I certainly do not know the details of the other kid's disability / IEP. I know that my kid gets OT with a kid from another grade, but I don't know that kid's last name or disability (maybe it is your kid!). So that implies no other kids in my kid's grade is getting OT, or at least a similar enough OT to group them together.

Yes, that is interesting. I did not know there were so few kids with IEPs in the lower grades. For our entire school school 2014-15, there were 30 kids with IEPs. This is public record not something I learned from other parents. Yes, our class is huge and so it makes sense that our class has the highest number of IEPs.

Our school is very responsive so don't hesitate to ask them for anything you feel your kid needs in the IEP.

No kids in our grade with IEPs as of the fall of K...

Wanted to add that DS attends a language immersion charter and he is not the only kid with ASD there. All the kids with ASD in our grade were all diagnosed once they started school and the parents had no idea that their child was on the spectrum. Entrance yrs are prek3/4 but was prek4 when this class started.[/quote]

Double posting because I am remembering that there were no kids in our grade as of the fall of K, which I know because no special needs teachers were included in the fall K collection for teachers. We did not have IEp yet either but we were on the path. So I guess things are very different in my grade, much more isolating alas.

But back to the point of this thread. Ask for the eval earlier....yeah it can't hurt.

PP, Thanks for answering. There may be more SN kids in your grade since it is bigger.

until this year I was not aware of any other kids with IEPs in our grade, and certainly not in our class. This year there is one other in our class, and I don't know about other kids in other classes.

and I certainly do not know the details of the other kid's disability / IEP. I know that my kid gets OT with a kid from another grade, but I don't know that kid's last name or disability (maybe it is your kid!). So that implies no other kids in my kid's grade is getting OT, or at least a similar enough OT to group them together.

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Asperger's no longer exists so this whole argument seems futile but my DS with Asperger's spoke early. Language has always been a strength. In fact, his ADHD caused more issues (prior to the ADHD being diagnosed and treated) than the Asperger's ever did.

But OP, you first need to find out what is going on before you can get the help. Good luck![/quote]

Wanted to add that DS attends a language immersion charter and he is not the only kid with ASD there. All the kids with ASD in our grade were all diagnosed once they started school and the parents had no idea that their child was on the spectrum. Entrance yrs are prek3/4 but was prek4 when this class started.[/quote]

This is a bit off topic but how do you know this? We attend the same school as you and I do nor know any other SN parents, as everything is confidential and there are no self contained classrooms etc (unless you count the 4th / 5th class...not technically SN.) [/quote]

I know the other SN kids in our class and their parents (not just the ASD kids but the ADHD kids too - these seem to be the two main types of SN at the school). Our kids are friends or at least get along since they've known each other and been in the same group therapy sessions (speech, social skills, etc) since prek. We get together with some of them for play dates, holidays, birthday parties, etc. The kids themselves are aware exactly which kids get pull outs (not in a mean way or anything like that, it just "is").

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Asperger's no longer exists so this whole argument seems futile but my DS with Asperger's spoke early. Language has always been a strength. In fact, his ADHD caused more issues (prior to the ADHD being diagnosed and treated) than the Asperger's ever did.

But OP, you first need to find out what is going on before you can get the help. Good luck![/quote]

Wanted to add that DS attends a language immersion charter and he is not the only kid with ASD there. All the kids with ASD in our grade were all diagnosed once they started school and the parents had no idea that their child was on the spectrum. Entrance yrs are prek3/4 but was prek4 when this class started.[/quote]

This is a bit off topic but how do you know this? We attend the same school as you and I do nor know any other SN parents, as everything is confidential and there are no self contained classrooms etc (unless you count the 4th / 5th class...not technically SN.)

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Asperger's no longer exists so this whole argument seems futile but my DS with Asperger's spoke early. Language has always been a strength. In fact, his ADHD caused more issues (prior to the ADHD being diagnosed and treated) than the Asperger's ever did.

But OP, you first need to find out what is going on before you can get the help. Good luck![/quote]

Wanted to add that DS attends a language immersion charter and he is not the only kid with ASD there. All the kids with ASD in our grade were all diagnosed once they started school and the parents had no idea that their child was on the spectrum. Entrance yrs are prek3/4 but was prek4 when this class started.

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Anonymous wrote:Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3.

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.

Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?

No, the criteria for Asperger's was no speech delay ever.

You are misinformed.

DSM IV Asperger's: D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

Language developing in a typical pattern is not considered having a speech delay and any SLP will tell you that.

Ok... neither here nor there.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.[/quote]

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3. [/quote]

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

[b]Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. [/b]My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.[/quote]

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.[/quote]

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.[/quote] Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?[/quote]

No, the criteria for Asperger's was [b]no speech delay ever.[/b][/quote]

You are misinformed.

DSM IV Asperger's: D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).[/quote]
Despite the myth "Asperger's = no speech delay", the defining criteria allow for a significant speech delay, since communicative phrases are a 2-year milestone in typical toddlers.[/quote]

Asperger's no longer exists so this whole argument seems futile but my DS with Asperger's spoke early. Language has always been a strength. In fact, his ADHD caused more issues (prior to the ADHD being diagnosed and treated) than the Asperger's ever did.

But OP, you first need to find out what is going on before you can get the help. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3.

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.

Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?

No, the criteria for Asperger's was no speech delay ever.

You are misinformed.

DSM IV Asperger's: D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

Language developing in a typical pattern is not considered having a speech delay and any SLP will tell you that.

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Anonymous wrote:Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3.

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.

Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?

No, the criteria for Asperger's was no speech delay ever.

You are misinformed.

DSM IV Asperger's: D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

Despite the myth "Asperger's = no speech delay", the defining criteria allow for a significant speech delay, since communicative phrases are a 2-year milestone in typical toddlers.

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Anonymous wrote:Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3.

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.

Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?

No, the criteria for Asperger's was no speech delay ever.

You are misinformed.

DSM IV Asperger's: D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

Also, very young children whose speech was coming in would never have been diagnosed with Asperger's. Thus kids who were diagnosed with Asperger's would at least be school aged so at least prek3-4 age.

Kids with mild ASD but with speech delay would have been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism in the old DSM-4 but one of the main reasons that Asperger's and HFA no longer exist is bc there is no clinical difference in outcome between kids with Asperger's and HFA once the kids with HFA catch up in speech.

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Anonymous wrote:Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3.

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.

Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?

No, the criteria for Asperger's was no speech delay ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Younger kids are given the "developmental delay" label for precisely this reason and the symptoms are treated. For a kid who may end up with an ASD/Asperger's label later on they will probably get interventions like OT and PT if the parents suspect anything issues at all which in most cases they won't.

Isn't developmental delay an educational category, not a clinical definition? And my understanding is that autism can be reliably diagnosed between 2 and 3.

Developmental delays is an educational category but if you have a young child in early intervention they will be provided services under "developmental delays" even if they already have an ASD diagnosis as a matter of routine especially if the child can be mainstreamed and do not need placement in a self contained autism classroom.

Asperger's/ASD is not diagnosed between 2-3. My kid met all milestones on time and we did not suspect anything until his preschool teacher noticed issues with the way he was not engaging with his classmates. He engaged with her, an adult, just fine however. Followed class room instructions without problems and has always been above grade level academically. This is a pretty common in Asperger's.

There are people with Asperger's who are not diagnosed until they are adults if ever. Asperger's is much more like ADHD in the way it is diagnosed than classic autism.

It is, more and more so. The signs are there early on. Until recently, clinicians refused to consider asd diagnosis before 3. I know several kids with mild ASD who were diagnosed before 2.

Did they have speech delays? While Asperger's no longer exists, when people talk about Asperger's type of ASD it is mild ASD without speech delays.

Some did and some didn't. Mine was speech delayed when first tested at 16 months, and 4 months later he tested in the 90th percentile for expressive language. The Aspergers criteria was no speech delay at 2, right?