Anonymous
02/07/2016 10:19
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sure that others who have actually lived in Green Bay will chime in but Green Bay is not a bad place. And despite the prevailing belief amongst the DC crowd, is remarkably accepting of others. Which is why you find the largest concentration of Arab Muslims outside of the Middle East in Detroit and why there is such a huge population of Somalis in Minneapolis.
A key question seems how important to you is having common religious culture and heritage right next door? Only you can answer that. Otherwise I think you will find the people to be generally warm.
And remember this isn't a life sentence.
My biggest problem with Green Bay is winters and the Packers
OP, people in WI looooove their football.
Yes, but a key thing is that it is a municipally-owned football team. Every year I root for the socialist Packers!
Its publicly owned, not municipally owned. More like The People's Packers!
Anonymous
02/07/2016 10:03
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am sure that others who have actually lived in Green Bay will chime in but Green Bay is not a bad place. And despite the prevailing belief amongst the DC crowd, is remarkably accepting of others. Which is why you find the largest concentration of Arab Muslims outside of the Middle East in Detroit and why there is such a huge population of Somalis in Minneapolis.
A key question seems how important to you is having common religious culture and heritage right next door? Only you can answer that. Otherwise I think you will find the people to be generally warm.
And remember this isn't a life sentence.
My biggest problem with Green Bay is winters and the Packers
OP, people in WI looooove their football.
Yes, but a key thing is that it is a municipally-owned football team. Every year I root for the socialist Packers!
Anonymous
02/07/2016 10:03
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, sounds like you are talking about Milwaukee. I live in the upper Midwest and also grew up in NYC. The problem I have is how insular place lsike Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Cleveland are. Very few people move in and out. Most of the people grew up, went to school, and married someone locally and have never lived anywhere else. Your spouse is going to go up against people who have friends and family in the area forever. If its a 2-5 year stint, fine, anything else, not great. Cheap housing isn't the only thing in life.
I'm the PP who lasted 3 years in one of the cities you mention above and that was EXACTLY my experience. It was hard to make friends because everyone grew up in neighboring suburbs and had known each other since elementary school. We were in a very desirable close-in suburb and there was also this sense of provincialism and self-satisfaction that they had "made it" to the desirable suburb. It played into the racism mentioned in my PP. They had grown up in a neighboring suburb with, like 25% minorities but had managed to "trade up" to the all white suburb and were super proud of themselves. My husband's company was the one who suggested the neighborhood, and I don't know what they were thinking.
Maybe it was just that no one liked you, not hard to believe since you looked down on all of them as "provincial" and "racist."
Anonymous
02/07/2016 10:01
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Yep, stand up for your hometown! ~former Clevelander hereAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's nice. OP said Green Bay.
Yes, but some other idiot PP was dissing Milwaukee. I have to stand up for my hometown!
Anonymous
02/07/2016 09:59
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Im from Cleveland and I took that comment to mean that Ann Arbor was much less diverse than Cleveland but you may be right, pp.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We did it and regretted it. I missed being able to walk places, and being surrounded by people who care about the things I care about. As a white person with kids of color, I was also STUNNED by the casual racism that folks threw around in what they perceived as all-white safe spaces. I lasted three years before I insisted we leave again.
That's why it's important for OP to post more info. The location does make a difference. Cleveland is not the same as Ann Arbor.
I've lived in both. We all know about Ann Arbor. But Cleveland is, actually, a progressive, diverse city with a great arts scene, museums, parks, medical facilities, and restaurants. The weather is not for everyone. The stupidity and provincialism on this board never cease to amaze.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 09:43
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:OP, sounds like you are talking about Milwaukee. I live in the upper Midwest and also grew up in NYC. The problem I have is how insular place lsike Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Cleveland are. Very few people move in and out. Most of the people grew up, went to school, and married someone locally and have never lived anywhere else. Your spouse is going to go up against people who have friends and family in the area forever. If its a 2-5 year stint, fine, anything else, not great. Cheap housing isn't the only thing in life.
I'm the PP who lasted 3 years in one of the cities you mention above and that was EXACTLY my experience. It was hard to make friends because everyone grew up in neighboring suburbs and had known each other since elementary school. We were in a very desirable close-in suburb and there was also this sense of provincialism and self-satisfaction that they had "made it" to the desirable suburb. It played into the racism mentioned in my PP. They had grown up in a neighboring suburb with, like 25% minorities but had managed to "trade up" to the all white suburb and were super proud of themselves. My husband's company was the one who suggested the neighborhood, and I don't know what they were thinking.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 09:29
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Appleton is great!
Give it a try for a couple of years. If it's not working, move on.
Good lord.
See - religious wackos here in DC too. They're everywhere.
Huh?
Exactly.
Good god-- who would move to Appleton. I mean, Jesus Christ.
You need help.
With what? Appleton is boring.
For boring people.
It's a great little town.
Hunt, fish, fish, hunt, slide, slide, slide.
HHI, college, walkability, school pyramid, Ivies, college, college, college.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:53
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Appleton is great!
Give it a try for a couple of years. If it's not working, move on.
Good lord.
See - religious wackos here in DC too. They're everywhere.
Huh?
Exactly.
Good god-- who would move to Appleton. I mean, Jesus Christ.
You need help.
With what? Appleton is boring.
For boring people.
It's a great little town.
Hunt, fish, fish, hunt, slide, slide, slide.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:52
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Appleton is great!
Give it a try for a couple of years. If it's not working, move on.
Good lord.
See - religious wackos here in DC too. They're everywhere.
Huh?
Exactly.
Good god-- who would move to Appleton. I mean, Jesus Christ.
You need help.
With what? Appleton is boring.
For boring people.
It's a great little town.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:45
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Appleton is great!
Give it a try for a couple of years. If it's not working, move on.
Good lord.
See - religious wackos here in DC too. They're everywhere.
Huh?
Exactly.
Good god-- who would move to Appleton. I mean, Jesus Christ.
You need help.
With what? Appleton is boring.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:43
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Appleton is great!
Give it a try for a couple of years. If it's not working, move on.
Good lord.
See - religious wackos here in DC too. They're everywhere.
Huh?
Exactly.
Good god-- who would move to Appleton. I mean, Jesus Christ.
You need help.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:43
Subject: Re:Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Madison would be great. Milwaukee would be fine. Greenbay would be tough transition. Although Door County is lovely in the summer.
I agree. Madison is a great place to live. Milwaukee would also be fine, there's a good art museum, it's close to Chicago, it's pretty diverse. Green Bay would be tough, as would Sheboygan.
Madison's like catnip for white liberals who don't want to see people of color. Oh wait. Same with Bethesda, North Arlington.....
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:42
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:I am sure that others who have actually lived in Green Bay will chime in but Green Bay is not a bad place. And despite the prevailing belief amongst the DC crowd, is remarkably accepting of others. Which is why you find the largest concentration of Arab Muslims outside of the Middle East in Detroit and why there is such a huge population of Somalis in Minneapolis.
A key question seems how important to you is having common religious culture and heritage right next door? Only you can answer that. Otherwise I think you will find the people to be generally warm.
And remember this isn't a life sentence.
My biggest problem with Green Bay is winters and the Packers
OP, people in WI looooove their football.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:41
Subject: Re:Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Madison would be great. Milwaukee would be fine. Greenbay would be tough transition. Although Door County is lovely in the summer.
I agree. Madison is a great place to live. Milwaukee would also be fine, there's a good art museum, it's close to Chicago, it's pretty diverse. Green Bay would be tough, as would Sheboygan.
Milwaukee does have a lot more going for it than its proximity to Chicago. Just ask the Chicagoans who own condos there and come up every weekend.
Anonymous
02/07/2016 08:40
Subject: Move to fly over country for job?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Appleton is great!
Give it a try for a couple of years. If it's not working, move on.
Good lord.
See - religious wackos here in DC too. They're everywhere.
Huh?
Exactly.
Good god-- who would move to Appleton. I mean, Jesus Christ.