Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:41     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?



You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?


Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.



Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:40     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
And regarding horses, I come from a horse family. Horses often get shipped south for the winter (obviously these are rich horses). They do feel it too.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:40     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?



It is not the same at all. The house where humans lives are insulated and won't get as cold as an outside doghouse. Leave blankets on the floor for the dogs and come back daily to check on them/feed/refill the water bowl.


If there is a blizzard and roads aren't clear, how can you be sure that you can go back daily?

And it can get really cold inside an unheated house for a few days -- especially if the house is older and not well insulated.

If the house is warm enough to be safe for a dog, then it's warm enough to be safe for a human. If, on the other hand, the house is too cold for a human, then it's too cold for a dog -- a domesticated dog. Most dogs aren't built for cold. There are few breeds that can handle the cold (huskies, for example), but they are the exception, not the rule.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:39     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?



You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?


Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.



The law is stupid, and it's one reason I would never live in Montgomery County. You still haven't answered the question of what you think would happen to a dog in a 30-degree house, sheltered, with blankets and plenty of food and water.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:37     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?



You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?


Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:36     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've been through a lot of city evacuations and this is a huge issue. At least 50% of people are animal owners, but shelters don't take animals too. So people either don't evacuate or have no where to go. Who would leave their dogs behind to die? And if they did leave their dogs behind to die, they should be prosecuted.


Well that's crazy. If it's an evacuation situation and it's go or die and the dog can't go, that sucks but the family can't stay behind because the dog has to. I have loved many dogs but damn, I'm not dying for one.


A relative in Katrina had to make this terrible choice.

She evacuated with her three kids and elderly grandfather and DH -- small car and no room for dogs. They drove for hours until they could find a place to stop. At the time they had no idea there would be flooding -- left the dog at home with food and water. She really had no choice. THe levee broke three blocks from her house and they had over 12 feet of water. They never found the dog and can only hope he got out.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:34     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dog owners should realize we're doing you a favor by inviting you over to share power. You don't want that favor, totally fine. But don't assume that I'm going to extend the favor to include your dogs if I don't want dogs in my home. Yet dog owners tend to take offense at this and act like I'm asking them to leave DH at home.


I would not try to bring my dogs over if they weren't invited. But I wouldn't go. And I'd think less of you.


OP here. In the case of allergies, would you think less of someone with allergies who didn't want to bring animals into their home?


Not if it's a real allergy.


+1 People claim to have pet allergies all of the time. When I ask if they've ever had it tested, they say no. If they actually had allergies, they would have issues in my house. But they don't (and, no, they didn't take meds before coming over).

It's fine if you don't want pets in your house. Just own up to it. And don't say nasty things like, "you can stay. if your dog dies, you can just buy a new one." Just don't offer.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:34     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?



You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:32     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:I simple do not like pets, hence they are not invited - humans only. If that's a problem, well, I offered - they can choose to stay home or go someplace else if the dogs are SOOO important to them.


You "simple" do not like pets? Learn to type.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:32     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?



It is not the same at all. The house where humans lives are insulated and won't get as cold as an outside doghouse. Leave blankets on the floor for the dogs and come back daily to check on them/feed/refill the water bowl.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:29     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jesus there is a lot of projecting going on in this thread.

First, even people WITH kids would not leave their dogs alone in a freezing house during a blizzard. Its called empathy/compassion.



I would leave my dogs alone in the house. They're animals, not children. Too many people forget that.


We are animals. Too many people forget that.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:27     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dog owners should realize we're doing you a favor by inviting you over to share power. You don't want that favor, totally fine. But don't assume that I'm going to extend the favor to include your dogs if I don't want dogs in my home. Yet dog owners tend to take offense at this and act like I'm asking them to leave DH at home.


I would not try to bring my dogs over if they weren't invited. But I wouldn't go. And I'd think less of you.


+1 And then what happens when the family with allergies loses power, but the family with pets has power.

Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:25     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dog owners should realize we're doing you a favor by inviting you over to share power. You don't want that favor, totally fine. But don't assume that I'm going to extend the favor to include your dogs if I don't want dogs in my home. Yet dog owners tend to take offense at this and act like I'm asking them to leave DH at home.


I would not try to bring my dogs over if they weren't invited. But I wouldn't go. And I'd think less of you.


OP here. In the case of allergies, would you think less of someone with allergies who didn't want to bring animals into their home?


Not if it's a real allergy.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:23     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.


A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:21     Subject: Power outages and friends with pets
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dog owners should realize we're doing you a favor by inviting you over to share power. You don't want that favor, totally fine. But don't assume that I'm going to extend the favor to include your dogs if I don't want dogs in my home. Yet dog owners tend to take offense at this and act like I'm asking them to leave DH at home.


I would not try to bring my dogs over if they weren't invited. But I wouldn't go. And I'd think less of you.


OP here. In the case of allergies, would you think less of someone with allergies who didn't want to bring animals into their home?


No, of course not. I think it is the people who are saying "just buy a new dog" and expressing similar sentiments that people would think less of. But if you have allergies and you know your friends will not want to leave their dogs, why even extend the invite? Just avoid any awkwardness.