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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

I should add that a significant number of what would become Muslims in a North Africa were Christians.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

Anonymous wrote:Atheist here. This thread is hilarious. Can't you all see the ridiculousness of arguing which is the "right" God to follow!?! Most of you believe in a single God, therefore, according to your belief systems, there can only be one God. Each belief system teaches different things about this God and insists that only this system is correct....all others are wrong. The only evidence for what any of these "holy books" teach is that someone thousands of years ago said it was so, and this got passed down to the next generations. All of you believe what you do only because your parents said so. We're all adults now. Think with your own minds. I can accept the belief in a higher being, though personally I find that belief illogical, however, following ancient "holy books", in this day and age, with all of the information available to us, is incomprehensible to me.

Wow! PP! I never, ever, thought about any of your points before! Ever! In my whole life! It's like... a fog has been lifted! Thank you so much! Your brilliance has saved me from decades of further miserable religion-following! Thank you sooooo much! Now that you have gained a loyal convert, you can probably safely leave this thread and go back to watching Netflix and/or masturbating.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Atheist here. This thread is hilarious. Can't you all see the ridiculousness of arguing which is the "right" God to follow!?! Most of you believe in a single God, therefore, according to your belief systems, there can only be one God. Each belief system teaches different things about this God and insists that only this system is correct....all others are wrong. The only evidence for what any of these "holy books" teach is that someone thousands of years ago said it was so, and this got passed down to the next generations. All of you believe what you do only because your parents said so. We're all adults now. Think with your own minds. I can accept the belief in a higher being, though personally I find that belief illogical, however, following ancient "holy books", in this day and age, with all of the information available to us, is incomprehensible to me.

Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish and don't think my god is the father of Jesus.

...and that is exactly what makes you Jewish...Duh....

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Anonymous wrote:This entire post makes me want to be an atheist (though I am not). Who cares whether I think I worship the same god as you do? You care? Because you have a special deal or relationship? I somehow dilute your religion by claiming that my god is the same as yours? Excuse me for saying - but that's just crap. It's what I can't stand about how some people use religion to create division and strife. It sucks and I wish people would stop.

But that's a natural part of religion -- otherwise there would be only one religion and no one would want anything else. God either doesn't want people to agree on him or he can't get people to come to an agreement about him.

Or people want to worship themselves by creating their own God to worship out of the desires of a sinful heart.

or the devil made them do it

Well he certainly does his best to get us to. And so many of us gladly go along.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope this isn't some pot-stirrer looking for trouble.

Sort of. They have the same root. The Christian God shows up in the Trinity but Islam is against that. Jesus in the gospels is very different from Jesus in the Quran on things like eye-for-eye justice, dietary restrictions, separation of church and state, turning the other cheek, and so on.

Not all Christians believe in the Trinity. Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet, like Moses, that was sent by God to teach. It is not my understanding that Christians' only holy scriptures are the New Testament, and thus Christians also have as part of their heritage, eye-for-eye justice, dietary restrictions, etc. The big difference is that most Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God. Muslims don't. IMHO, that doesn't make that God any different - just makes their belief in Jesus different.

If you do not believe in a Trinity you are not Christian- the Trinity is a basic tenet of Christianity.

Wikipedia says this: "Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International and the United Church of God." Frankly I haven't heard of most of those and wouldn't have included Jehova's Witnesses, LDS or some of the others as Christian. The Trinity is in the New Testament, so I don't know how a Christian denomination couldn't believe it.

LDS is not Christian? I think that is news to them!

LDS believe in Jesus as the Christ, but not in the Trinity? I really need to find a good objective book on Mormon theology.

This is actually a good starter even though it is Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Christianity Mormons do believe in Jesus, but most would not say they're Christian. They're more like an off branch of Christianity because they do believe in Jesus. They have a very distinct set of viewpoints. Catholics and Protestants aren't as far apart as Mormons are.

Thanks! I'll read it now before some DCUM prankster edits it to make Jeff Steele the Founder.

Anonymous wrote:I believe everybody worships the same god and that god reveals himself differently to different people"

Why would God do that? Do you believe He's schizophrenic? And why would He reveal Himself in so many vastly different ways? Seems odd to come to earth and live as a man named Jesus Christ and die a horrific death to save mankind from its sins and say this Jesus is the only way to know Him, and then reveal Himself to other people with an entirely different name as a God that forbids you to believe in that other God named Jesus that he told some people to believe in, and to tell a bunch of other people to disregard the first two Gods but follow a bunch of rules specific only to them to earn His favor, and then reveal himself to others as a kind of universal hazy nature spirit who's in the trees and animals and wants you to blow smoke rings in circles at night, and then reveal to himself as another God who's really a whole bunch of purple and blue gods with lots more names that look like elephants and have lots of arms and tell you to look inside yourself to find him there.

Serioulsy. Can those of you who believe in the many pathways to God make any sense of this way of thinking at all? I certainly can't.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire post makes me want to be an atheist (though I am not). Who cares whether I think I worship the same god as you do? You care? Because you have a special deal or relationship? I somehow dilute your religion by claiming that my god is the same as yours? Excuse me for saying - but that's just crap. It's what I can't stand about how some people use religion to create division and strife. It sucks and I wish people would stop.

But that's a natural part of religion -- otherwise there would be only one religion and no one would want anything else. God either doesn't want people to agree on him or he can't get people to come to an agreement about him.

Or people want to worship themselves by creating their own God to worship out of the desires of a sinful heart.

or the devil made them do it

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Anonymous wrote:This entire post makes me want to be an atheist (though I am not). Who cares whether I think I worship the same god as you do? You care? Because you have a special deal or relationship? I somehow dilute your religion by claiming that my god is the same as yours? Excuse me for saying - but that's just crap. It's what I can't stand about how some people use religion to create division and strife. It sucks and I wish people would stop.

But that's a natural part of religion -- otherwise there would be only one religion and no one would want anything else. God either doesn't want people to agree on him or he can't get people to come to an agreement about him.

Or people want to worship themselves by creating their own God to worship out of the desires of a sinful heart.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope this isn't some pot-stirrer looking for trouble.

Sort of. They have the same root. The Christian God shows up in the Trinity but Islam is against that. Jesus in the gospels is very different from Jesus in the Quran on things like eye-for-eye justice, dietary restrictions, separation of church and state, turning the other cheek, and so on.

Not all Christians believe in the Trinity. Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet, like Moses, that was sent by God to teach. It is not my understanding that Christians' only holy scriptures are the New Testament, and thus Christians also have as part of their heritage, eye-for-eye justice, dietary restrictions, etc. The big difference is that most Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God. Muslims don't. IMHO, that doesn't make that God any different - just makes their belief in Jesus different.

If you do not believe in a Trinity you are not Christian- the Trinity is a basic tenet of Christianity.

Wikipedia says this: "Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International and the United Church of God." Frankly I haven't heard of most of those and wouldn't have included Jehova's Witnesses, LDS or some of the others as Christian. The Trinity is in the New Testament, so I don't know how a Christian denomination couldn't believe it.

LDS is not Christian? I think that is news to them!

LDS believe in Jesus as the Christ, but not in the Trinity? I really need to find a good objective book on Mormon theology.

This is actually a good starter even though it is Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Christianity Mormons do believe in Jesus, but most would not say they're Christian. They're more like an off branch of Christianity because they do believe in Jesus. They have a very distinct set of viewpoints. Catholics and Protestants aren't as far apart as Mormons are.