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Anonymous wrote:Divorce him. Seriously. I couldn't stay married to someone with those values.

+1

I'm about to uninvite my ILs for the holidays. I don't want my children exposed to that kind of hate and ignorance.

This attitude right here is part of the reason Trump is having success.

As a college professor, I agree 100% with this. PP is one of those "don't expose me to ideas I disagree with" types.... the coddling students I teach on a daily basis who don't want rigorous arguments challenging them to defend their views.

As a college professor, I would hope that you are teaching your students that there is a meaningful difference between opinions that are actively xenophobic and based on lies and opinions that are simply different from their own. Trump has repeatedly lied about things that are verifiable, suggested policies that are unconstitutional, made comments that are blatantly racist, and shown absolutely no remorse for this behavior. I would be utterly delighted to not be exposed to his ideas - not just because I disagree with them, but because they are antithetical to pretty much everything I believe - and if I found out that a close friend or relative agreed with those things, I would not want to associate with that person any longer.

It is actually not unconstitutional to selectively control immigration, even based on religion.

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.

What is a scary Hispanic?

Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.

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Anonymous wrote:This is fascinating.

What does he like about Trump?

OP, so much sympathy for you. My mom and my dad cancel each other out at the polls every year, but they don't discuss politics at home. I dated a Republican for a long time in my youth and tolerated all kinds of political differences between us. But, in the end, I decided that many of his views were a reflection of large differences in our underlying values (equality vs. misogyny) and our assumptions and perceptions about the world and people around us, and thus, we weren't a good match. Since you're already married, perhaps you'll just have to say explicitly, we'll really have to agree to disagree. If you have kids, I think it's important that you say out loud and repeatedly that you disagree with his views and why. Hopefully, you two can arrive at an agreement that it's better just not to discuss.

If you feel like his political views are a reflection of underlying values that affect you and your marriage, I would focus more on his behavior/actions in the marriage rather than his words -- is he making misogynist/sexist assumptions about who does what? That's a problem you can address without politics.

In the meanwhile, please DO tell more about why you think your husband likes Trump. I can't for the life of me understand this phenomenon.

I'm convinced it's the culmination of years of really suck-ass history teaching across the country. My kids are getting less and less basic civics at the young age, and none of their peers ever read a real newspaper or outlet (and no, BuzzFeed lists do not count as news...) That and a combination of people who really can't contemplate Hillary Clinton for President, which I think has a largely sexist underpinning (even among women detractors....)

I think the main thing he likes is that Trump "speaks his mind." DH found Obama to be a huge disappointment because he talked so much about not being partisan and political, and DH feels liked to. He thinks that, at least with Trump, what you see if what you get. He also things that Trump would be strong on foreign policy and cannot possibly be as extreme as the things he sometimes says given his massive business successes.

On the Muslim thing, he thinks it is overstated since Trump only said temporarily until a system is worked out. He thinks it is hypocritical for people to get so outraged over that one statement when racial profiling is alive and well through America (he's a minority).

Anonymous wrote:Look, at a certain point, supporting someone passes beyond "difference of opinion" and into "moral failing."

You can't expect someone to stand by and agree to disagree if you support a candidate who wants to turn Jews into soap. You can't do it even if he "speaks his mind" and has a great idea about reducing the capital gains tax.

Has Trump come out in favor of turning Jews into soap? No. But he's close enough to that territory to get him out of "difference opinion" and soundly into "moral failing." Supporting him makes you a bad person.

Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.

Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.

Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Divorce him. Seriously. I couldn't stay married to someone with those values.

+1

I'm about to uninvite my ILs for the holidays. I don't want my children exposed to that kind of hate and ignorance.

This attitude right here is part of the reason Trump is having success.

As a college professor, I agree 100% with this. PP is one of those "don't expose me to ideas I disagree with" types.... the coddling students I teach on a daily basis who don't want rigorous arguments challenging them to defend their views.

As a college professor, I would hope that you are teaching your students that there is a meaningful difference between opinions that are actively xenophobic and based on lies and opinions that are simply different from their own. Trump has repeatedly lied about things that are verifiable, suggested policies that are unconstitutional, made comments that are blatantly racist, and shown absolutely no remorse for this behavior. I would be utterly delighted to not be exposed to his ideas - not just because I disagree with them, but because they are antithetical to pretty much everything I believe - and if I found out that a close friend or relative agreed with those things, I would not want to associate with that person any longer.

Anonymous wrote:This is a hilarious thread. It also seems to me like trolling, and if not, still belongs in the politics forum.

That said, on the more generic level (without getting into the partisan name calling), it may reveal huge differences of values. I never used to think these things were so important - that relationships could transcend this issues.

However, after a really obnoxious and contentious (and passionate) relationship with a woman who believe in creationism (while I believe in empiricism and science), I began to realize how much these debates were more a reflection of the way we viewed and understood the world around us, and not just about a particular issue. More to the point: these different approaches were reflected in the way we handled the relationship itself.

So, I'm not sure if it's grounds for divorce, particularly after children, but I sure as hell think it's grounds to break off an engagement or a long-term relationship.

Anonymous wrote:Look, at a certain point, supporting someone passes beyond "difference of opinion" and into "moral failing."

You can't expect someone to stand by and agree to disagree if you support a candidate who wants to turn Jews into soap. You can't do it even if he "speaks his mind" and has a great idea about reducing the capital gains tax.

Has Trump come out in favor of turning Jews into soap? No. But he's close enough to that territory to get him out of "difference opinion" and soundly into "moral failing." Supporting him makes you a bad person.