Anonymous
12/05/2015 22:35
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, if what you value is high test scores and a student body of mostly high SES families, then Mann is your best bet.
The three other schools are excellent with great afterschool offerings and an active PTAs, but have lower test scores and a more economically diverse population.
It really just depends what you are looking for.
This is accurate. Our kids are OOB at Hearst. Mann is one of the vaunted "JKLMM" schools. Any of the four you named would be good. We have a high-performing student and one that has been needing more attention to get to proficient and have been getting elp from the teacher and feedback on what to try at home. We love the enrichment activities after school right there on campus, like Stoddert and rec sports, karate, dance, choir, robotics, fun classes like cooking for K-1st.
I would make time to tour each school/facility and think about what you will be comfortable with, ask about extras and aftercare, do a "test run commute" and check them out during dropoff. Our old school was a highly effective DCPS in Ward 4 that is heavy with Title 1 kids. The facility was surprisingly nice, the teachers were great, the meals and aftercare were cheap/free, and there were a lot of smart kids there, but we couldn't resist the involved PTA, higher test score peer group, Deal feeder, and ancient-oak lined playing field.
It's "JKLM" with just one 'M,' for Mann. And while I've heard Murch described as decent, "vaunted" is a new one. Bootstrapping Murch on to that group reminds me of the realtors who try to rebrand less-choice areas as "North Georgetown" or "North Potomac."
It is beyond me how Janney gets all the hate when you have asshat posters like this from Mann all the time on here.
Anonymous
12/05/2015 10:59
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, if what you value is high test scores and a student body of mostly high SES families, then Mann is your best bet.
The three other schools are excellent with great afterschool offerings and an active PTAs, but have lower test scores and a more economically diverse population.
It really just depends what you are looking for.
This is accurate. Our kids are OOB at Hearst. Mann is one of the vaunted "JKLMM" schools. Any of the four you named would be good. We have a high-performing student and one that has been needing more attention to get to proficient and have been getting elp from the teacher and feedback on what to try at home. We love the enrichment activities after school right there on campus, like Stoddert and rec sports, karate, dance, choir, robotics, fun classes like cooking for K-1st.
I would make time to tour each school/facility and think about what you will be comfortable with, ask about extras and aftercare, do a "test run commute" and check them out during dropoff. Our old school was a highly effective DCPS in Ward 4 that is heavy with Title 1 kids. The facility was surprisingly nice, the teachers were great, the meals and aftercare were cheap/free, and there were a lot of smart kids there, but we couldn't resist the involved PTA, higher test score peer group, Deal feeder, and ancient-oak lined playing field.
It's "JKLM" with just one 'M,' for Mann. And while I've heard Murch described as decent, "vaunted" is a new one. Bootstrapping Murch on to that group reminds me of the realtors who try to rebrand less-choice areas as "North Georgetown" or "North Potomac."
Anonymous
12/04/2015 00:41
Subject: Re:Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
OP here- thanks everyone. So far, i have toured Eaton and Mann, liked infrastructure better at Mann, but will probably end up at Eaton. Will tour other two schools as well, and Janney too. I am sure either will be fine for 4 year old, and then will decide what should be our next mkve when kid is 5.
Anonymous
12/03/2015 19:02
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:OP, if what you value is high test scores and a student body of mostly high SES families, then Mann is your best bet.
The three other schools are excellent with great afterschool offerings and an active PTAs, but have lower test scores and a more economically diverse population.
It really just depends what you are looking for.
This is accurate. Our kids are OOB at Hearst. Mann is one of the vaunted "JKLMM" schools. Any of the four you named would be good. We have a high-performing student and one that has been needing more attention to get to proficient and have been getting elp from the teacher and feedback on what to try at home. We love the enrichment activities after school right there on campus, like Stoddert and rec sports, karate, dance, choir, robotics, fun classes like cooking for K-1st.
I would make time to tour each school/facility and think about what you will be comfortable with, ask about extras and aftercare, do a "test run commute" and check them out during dropoff. Our old school was a highly effective DCPS in Ward 4 that is heavy with Title 1 kids. The facility was surprisingly nice, the teachers were great, the meals and aftercare were cheap/free, and there were a lot of smart kids there, but we couldn't resist the involved PTA, higher test score peer group, Deal feeder, and ancient-oak lined playing field.
Anonymous
12/03/2015 14:00
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Blue Ribbon schools from 1982-2015.
see page 41 - DC schools -- Mann 89, 93, 03 and 11.
Other noteworthy winners: McKinley, Bunker Hill, Noyes...
http://www2.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/list-2003.pdf
What about Hearst and Eaton?
Longtime Eaton parent and I have never in 10 years ever heard anyone mention applying for this.
OP, come tour our school. All of you questions will be happily answered.
Unfortunately, this is typical of Eaton: Passive to act, resigned to being a good school but not an outstanding one and a belief that "we are not worthy."
Not an Eaton parent but apples to apples, Eaton killed Janney on scores (by more than 10 points), so how does that equally "not an outstanding school" if Janney, Mann, Key used to be the measure?
Anonymous
12/03/2015 10:17
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
This blue ribbon discussion is pointless and a complete bore.
Anonymous
12/02/2015 22:08
Subject: Re:Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
I am the "passive to act" (whatever that means) Eaton parent above.
Please don't create alternative meaning to my words.
I said that applying was never discussed. What I didn't mention was that Eaton goes after (and has received) all kinds of grants that provide our kids with tangible benefits. Other than a plaque and a flag, there are no real benefits to being a blue ribbon school, other than bragging rights. See below for what the award means.
The Eaton community is definitely not passive is finding and providing opportunities for our students. Anyone who has stepped foot inside our school would know that.
This is from the FAQ from the Blue Ribbon website:
"What are the benefits and responsibilities of being recognized as a National Blue Ribbon School by the U.S. Department of Education?
Each year, National Blue Ribbon Schools shine under a national spotlight for all the right reasons. The award acknowledges and validates the hard work of students, educators, families, and communities in striving for—and attaining—exemplary achievement. For many, attaining the National Blue Ribbon School award is the realization of a long-held dream.
National Blue Ribbon Schools serve as models for other schools throughout the nation, and school personnel are often sought out as mentors. Their applications are posted on the U.S. Department of Education's website, and media eagerly profile recognized schools, helping the school, its district, and community gain additional exposure. Representatives from schools are honored at an annual awards ceremony held in Washington, DC. Each school receives an engraved plaque and program flag with the official seal, which signifies its status and the year of its award."
Please don't create alternative meaning to my words.
I said that applying was never discussed. What I didn't mention was that Eaton goes after (and has received) all kinds of grants that provide our kids with tangible benefits. Other than a plaque and a flag, there are no real benefits to being a blue ribbon school, other than bragging rights. See below for what the award means.
The Eaton community is definitely not passive is finding and providing opportunities for our students. Anyone who has stepped foot inside our school would know that.
This is from the FAQ from the Blue Ribbon website:
"What are the benefits and responsibilities of being recognized as a National Blue Ribbon School by the U.S. Department of Education?
Each year, National Blue Ribbon Schools shine under a national spotlight for all the right reasons. The award acknowledges and validates the hard work of students, educators, families, and communities in striving for—and attaining—exemplary achievement. For many, attaining the National Blue Ribbon School award is the realization of a long-held dream.
National Blue Ribbon Schools serve as models for other schools throughout the nation, and school personnel are often sought out as mentors. Their applications are posted on the U.S. Department of Education's website, and media eagerly profile recognized schools, helping the school, its district, and community gain additional exposure. Representatives from schools are honored at an annual awards ceremony held in Washington, DC. Each school receives an engraved plaque and program flag with the official seal, which signifies its status and the year of its award."
Anonymous
12/02/2015 21:46
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Blue Ribbon schools from 1982-2015.
see page 41 - DC schools -- Mann 89, 93, 03 and 11.
Other noteworthy winners: McKinley, Bunker Hill, Noyes...
http://www2.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/list-2003.pdf
What about Hearst and Eaton?
Longtime Eaton parent and I have never in 10 years ever heard anyone mention applying for this.
OP, come tour our school. All of you questions will be happily answered.
Unfortunately, this is typical of Eaton: Passive to act, resigned to being a good school but not an outstanding one and a belief that "we are not worthy."
Anonymous
12/01/2015 20:11
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Blue Ribbon schools from 1982-2015.
see page 41 - DC schools -- Mann 89, 93, 03 and 11.
Other noteworthy winners: McKinley, Bunker Hill, Noyes...
http://www2.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/list-2003.pdf
What about Hearst and Eaton?
Longtime Eaton parent and I have never in 10 years ever heard anyone mention applying for this.
OP, come tour our school. All of you questions will be happily answered.
Anonymous
12/01/2015 16:13
Subject: Re:Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks everyone for your very useful feedback. So, it seems it will be either Eaton or Hearst. I actually was hoping for H. Mann, but that's probably not going to happen.
Other consideration is to move to Montgomery County by the time kid starts Kindergarten. Though I am getting conflicting feedback on Montgomery County schools now.
Hearst or Eaton are fantastic schools. I love the community vibes of the school. Id take either of those schools over any Montgomery county school. Class size in Montgomery are enough for me to not consider.
Decent schools, most times good ones? Sure. But "fantastic"? No.
--JE parent.
OP please ignore this PP. They spoke too soon. Janney is a solid school. You will see a lot more boosters from that school simply because they are 2-3 times larger than the rest so it's a squeaky wheel situation.
Repost from other thread regarding test scores that came out yesterday. Janney was almost last of the schools that had more than 25 white students take the test. They appear like they are first because they have very little poor students so those average doesn't go down like the other schools. Look at the rankings below. Eaton and Stoddert are both solid (and dare I say FANTASTIC) choices as are Hearst and Mann.
AVERAGE English and math white performance citywide:
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 84.65%
Eaton ES 82.80%
Stoddert ES 82.15%
Watkins ES Capitol Hill Cluster 80.80%
Washington Yu Ying PCS 79.75%
Maury ES 79.15%
Lafayette ES 78.70%
Two Rivers PCS 78.55%
Murch ES 77.05%
Mann ES 76.75%
Janney ES 76.00%
Hearst ES 75.00%
Key ES 72.85%
Brent ES 72.75%
Hyde Addison ES 69.15%
Anonymous
12/01/2015 10:58
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Stop with your Ribbons already!
I was so glad to see Stoddert not mentioned as much as the JKLMM and I was hoping it will stay that way.
We are now IB for Mann and people bringing that school up all the time is just overkill. It seems like a nice small school, now shut up.
How come the Key people have been able to keep it fairly quiet unlike Janney people.
They are all good schools and there are many more OP didn't ask about.
Key is a very good school and the neighborhood is lovely. My guess as to why Janney gets more buzz is that, while also a great school, it leads on to top-ranked Deal middle school, versus Key (and Mann, Stoddert and Eaton) which all go to lesser-ranked Hardy. Hardy has never gotten much traction with its in-boundary area although it is getting a bit better.
The issue is why some schools/parents are into boosterism on DCUM....
The above seems more like a realistic assessment than boosterism of Janney. It's certainly a fact that Deal is a lot more popular than Hardy WOTP.
No doubt on the middle schools. But Mann and Stoddert (to some but lesser degree) have strong and frequent boosters on DCUM, too. But many other schools do not. Say like Lafayette compared to Janney.
Anonymous
12/01/2015 10:54
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Click - page 41...
Alice Deal Junior High School Washington 83-84
Ben W. Murch Elementary School Washington 2007
Benjamin Banneker Academic High School Washington 90-91
Benjamin Banneker Senior High School Washington 2007
Bernard T. Janney Elementary School Washington 2004
Blessed Sacrament School Washington 2012
Brookland Junior High School Washington 82-83
Browne Junior High School Washington 84-85, 88-89
Bunker Hill Elementary School Washington 85-86, 91-92
Burrville Elementary School Washington 2003
Crosby S. Noyes Education Campus Washington 2009
D.C. Preparatory Academy, Edgewood Elementary
School Campus Washington 2013
Duke Ellington School of the Arts Washington 92-93
Georgetown Visitation Preparatory School Washington 86-87
Horace Mann Elementary School Washington 2003, 11
Horace Mann Elementary School Washington 89-90, 93-94
Jefferson Junior High School Washington 82-83, 86-87
Joseph Rodman - West Elementary School Washington 2003
Julius W. Hobson Senior Middle School Washington 83-84
Key Elementary School Washington 2008
KIPP DC: KEY Academy Washington 2007
Lafayette Elementary School Washington 2004
Langdon Elementary School Washington 2004
Lemon G. Hine Junior High School Washington 90-91
McKinley Technology High School Washington 2012
Our Lady of Victory School Washington 2007
Oyster Bilingual Elementary School Washington 2006
Paul Laurence Dunbar Senior High School Washington 92-93
Robert Brent Elementary School Washington 87-88
St. Peter's School Washington 2013
School Without Walls Senior High School Washington 2010
Sidwell Friends Lower School Washington 85-86
Smothers Elementary School Washington 85-86
The Lab School of Washington Washington 94-97
And all pre-2004 are self-nominated. The rules changed in 2003.
Anonymous
12/01/2015 10:08
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Stop with your Ribbons already!
I was so glad to see Stoddert not mentioned as much as the JKLMM and I was hoping it will stay that way.
We are now IB for Mann and people bringing that school up all the time is just overkill. It seems like a nice small school, now shut up.
How come the Key people have been able to keep it fairly quiet unlike Janney people.
They are all good schools and there are many more OP didn't ask about.
Key is a very good school and the neighborhood is lovely. My guess as to why Janney gets more buzz is that, while also a great school, it leads on to top-ranked Deal middle school, versus Key (and Mann, Stoddert and Eaton) which all go to lesser-ranked Hardy. Hardy has never gotten much traction with its in-boundary area although it is getting a bit better.
The issue is why some schools/parents are into boosterism on DCUM....
The above seems more like a realistic assessment than boosterism of Janney. It's certainly a fact that Deal is a lot more popular than Hardy WOTP.
Anonymous
12/01/2015 09:05
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Blue Ribbon schools from 1982-2015.
see page 41 - DC schools -- Mann 89, 93, 03 and 11.
Other noteworthy winners: McKinley, Bunker Hill, Noyes...
http://www2.ed.gov/programs/nclbbrs/list-2003.pdf
Noyes won the year during Rhee's tenure when they cheated, making their scores "soar."
Anonymous
12/01/2015 08:56
Subject: Eaton vs. Stoddert vs. H. Mann vs. Hearst Elementary Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Stop with your Ribbons already!
I was so glad to see Stoddert not mentioned as much as the JKLMM and I was hoping it will stay that way.
We are now IB for Mann and people bringing that school up all the time is just overkill. It seems like a nice small school, now shut up.
How come the Key people have been able to keep it fairly quiet unlike Janney people.
They are all good schools and there are many more OP didn't ask about.
Key is a very good school and the neighborhood is lovely. My guess as to why Janney gets more buzz is that, while also a great school, it leads on to top-ranked Deal middle school, versus Key (and Mann, Stoddert and Eaton) which all go to lesser-ranked Hardy. Hardy has never gotten much traction with its in-boundary area although it is getting a bit better.
The issue is why some schools/parents are into boosterism on DCUM....