Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:53
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.
You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?
Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”
I mean its AAP center pulls from Fairfax addresses (many areas zoned for Navy and Waples Mill are in Fairfax), not just Herndon, Reston and Oakton.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:48
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.
You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?
Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”
There are no Oakton kids at Carson. There are Chantilly address kids.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:47
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I guess the high schools are impacted by the “loss” just the same way a non-AAP elementary school or middle school is impacted when a kid from that school zone gets into an AAP centre.
If DC didn’t get into Carson DC would have gone to Franklin MS. Carson sent like 88 to TJ, Franklin maybe 3 or 4. All from the exact same area, so I still don’t see what your address has to do with anything.
All from the "exact same area," yet the address means nothing? OK dokey.
First-- Carson is a huge Center-- Over 60% of the kids (more than 400/class) are AAP. As to Franklin v Carson, nearly 1/2 of the Carson AAP kids have Franklin as a base school. Franklin has a fledgling LLIV program with only one classroom of LLIV kids. The AAP kids who are serious about ending up at TJ opt for Carson over Franklin. And the atmosphere and level of competition at Carson is intense, with hundred of kids trying out for things like debate, math counts & science bowl (not an exaggeration-- actually hundreds). Franklin has the reputation of being a kinder, gentler MS. That said, Carson is doing something right, because they routinely have 100% pass rate on Algebra and Geometry SOLs (and GE kids take Algebra too). -- a different mom of a Carson student in an area zoned for Franklin.
FCPS classifies about 45% of Carson's student body (658 students as of September 2015) as in AAP/LLIV in its school enrollment statistics. The 60% on the school profile refers to others besides those in the AAP center.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:47
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
I'm not saying that Carson and Longfellow aren't sending a lot of kids to TJ, but these raw statistics over-credit the feeder schools that are large and under-credit the schools that have a smaller AAP program. Twain has 100 AAP kids per grade. They have 12 at TJ. Other MS on this list have 200-400 students per AAP grade. Of course, they are going to have more. The defining statistic would be the percent of kids admitted. That's the fair comparison.
So by your logic, Carson, w/400 AAP kids/grade should send 48 kids to TJ. Last year, they sent almost twice that.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:47
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.
You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?
Ha ha. Thanks. I did that in my head. Obviously not TJ material. Carson is located in Herndon and it pulls from Oakton, Herndon, Reston - not sure what you mean by “Fairfax.”
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:45
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.
You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?
None (except teachers kids or other weird placements). But, Oakton HS has a weird catchment that goes far west, nearly to Louden County, and picks up some Herndon kids who go to Carson (like part of Franklin Farm). Carson kids are all Herndon, Reston, and Chantilly (the 20171 AAP kids who go to Lees Corner (Oak Hill ES Center) then go to Carson, not RR (but head back to Chantilly for HS)).
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:39
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
I'm not saying that Carson and Longfellow aren't sending a lot of kids to TJ, but these raw statistics over-credit the feeder schools that are large and under-credit the schools that have a smaller AAP program. Twain has 100 AAP kids per grade. They have 12 at TJ. Other MS on this list have 200-400 students per AAP grade. Of course, they are going to have more. The defining statistic would be the percent of kids admitted. That's the fair comparison.
There is no single statistic that is "defining" - only statistics that are quantifying different things.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:37
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
This is very illumination. Can anyone explain how Carson does i?
BTW, DC’s elementary school AAP class sent some kids to Carson and some to Hughes. Sometimes the difference was a matter of one or two blocks. So really Carson/Hughes had 116.
You do know that 88 and 18 does not equal 116, right, and that many Carson students admitted to TJ live in Oakton and Fairfax, not Herndon?
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:28
Subject: Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Carson in Herndon: 88
Frost in Fairfax: 21
Hughes in Reston: 18
Jackson in Falls Church: 13
Kilmer in Vienna: 38
Lake Braddock in Burke: 20
Longfellow in Falls Church: 66
Rocky Run in Chantilly: 45
Twain in Alexandria: 12
http://patch.com/virginia/mclean/which-middle-schools-sent-most-students-thomas-jefferson-hs-science-and-technology-0
I'm not saying that Carson and Longfellow aren't sending a lot of kids to TJ, but these raw statistics over-credit the feeder schools that are large and under-credit the schools that have a smaller AAP program. Twain has 100 AAP kids per grade. They have 12 at TJ. Other MS on this list have 200-400 students per AAP grade. Of course, they are going to have more. The defining statistic would be the percent of kids admitted. That's the fair comparison.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:16
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I guess the high schools are impacted by the “loss” just the same way a non-AAP elementary school or middle school is impacted when a kid from that school zone gets into an AAP centre.
If DC didn’t get into Carson DC would have gone to Franklin MS. Carson sent like 88 to TJ, Franklin maybe 3 or 4. All from the exact same area, so I still don’t see what your address has to do with anything.
All from the "exact same area," yet the address means nothing? OK dokey.
First-- Carson is a huge Center-- Over 60% of the kids (more than 400/class) are AAP. As to Franklin v Carson, nearly 1/2 of the Carson AAP kids have Franklin as a base school. Franklin has a fledgling LLIV program with only one classroom of LLIV kids. The AAP kids who are serious about ending up at TJ opt for Carson over Franklin. And the atmosphere and level of competition at Carson is intense, with hundred of kids trying out for things like debate, math counts & science bowl (not an exaggeration-- actually hundreds). Franklin has the reputation of being a kinder, gentler MS. That said, Carson is doing something right, because they routinely have 100% pass rate on Algebra and Geometry SOLs (and GE kids take Algebra too). -- a different mom of a Carson student in an area zoned for Franklin.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:08
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:If someone is concerned about “loss” to Langley HS, I’d look at the skids of privates within driving distance of that area. Potomac, St. Andrews, Bullis, St. Albans etc. etc.
skads
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:02
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Langley and McLean are "wealthy.”
Reston/Herndon is not wealthy. But the area gets more kids into TJ.
That's factually incorrect.
o.k., happy to be corrected. Which part is wrong?
Anonymous
11/19/2015 13:01
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
If someone is concerned about “loss” to Langley HS, I’d look at the skids of privates within driving distance of that area. Potomac, St. Andrews, Bullis, St. Albans etc. etc.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 12:59
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I guess the high schools are impacted by the “loss” just the same way a non-AAP elementary school or middle school is impacted when a kid from that school zone gets into an AAP centre.
If DC didn’t get into Carson DC would have gone to Franklin MS. Carson sent like 88 to TJ, Franklin maybe 3 or 4. All from the exact same area, so I still don’t see what your address has to do with anything.
All from the "exact same area," yet the address means nothing? OK dokey.
If you want know know where there from look up their address.
people are pretty mobile these days. Rich go to McLean, middle-upper middle to Reston/Herndon. What does that tell you about TJ? Nothing.
Anonymous
11/19/2015 12:52
Subject: Re:Base Schools Sending Most Students to TJ
Anonymous wrote:I guess the high schools are impacted by the “loss” just the same way a non-AAP elementary school or middle school is impacted when a kid from that school zone gets into an AAP centre.
If DC didn’t get into Carson DC would have gone to Franklin MS. Carson sent like 88 to TJ, Franklin maybe 3 or 4. All from the exact same area, so I still don’t see what your address has to do with anything.
All from the "exact same area," yet the address means nothing? OK dokey.