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Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

Have you watched that video? That girl could probably be arrested for assault -- she escalates her profanities as she removes her backpack and looks like she's getting ready for a physical confrontation. It is way, way beyond anything remotely justifiable. And what set her off? Why did she explode? Because after she explained her position the first time the Prof said these two words very calmly, "I disagree." Watch it -- that is what happened. I have seen employees fired on the sport for less insubordinate behavior. And yes, the position of authority is relevant, but her behavior should warrant disciplinary action whether directed toward a student or teacher. And have you read the email that the students complained of? It was balanced, thoughtful, reasonable. It did not in any way condone offensive costumes.

In total agreement. The student should be disciplined, and at a minimum suspended for the remainder of the semester. She is a hostile and threatening presence on campus.

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

Have you watched that video? That girl could probably be arrested for assault -- she escalates her profanities as she removes her backpack and looks like she's getting ready for a physical confrontation. It is way, way beyond anything remotely justifiable. And what set her off? Why did she explode? Because after she explained her position the first time the Prof said these two words very calmly, "I disagree." Watch it -- that is what happened. I have seen employees fired on the sport for less insubordinate behavior. And yes, the position of authority is relevant, but her behavior should warrant disciplinary action whether directed toward a student or teacher. And have you read the email that the students complained of? It was balanced, thoughtful, reasonable. It did not in any way condone offensive costumes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

The fact that you even have to tell someone to exercise respect when choosing a costume says volumes about a broken moral compass.

Why anyone would purposely wear something fully knowing that it's offensive and hurtful has deeper issues regardless of your right for free expression.

Like a Redskins jersey?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

Thanks for clarifying that!

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Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

The fact that you even have to tell someone to exercise respect when choosing a costume says volumes about a broken moral compass.

Why anyone would purposely wear something fully knowing that it's offensive and hurtful has deeper issues regardless of your right for free expression.

Yawn.

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

The fact that you even have to tell someone to exercise respect when choosing a costume says volumes about a broken moral compass.

Why anyone would purposely wear something fully knowing that it's offensive and hurtful has deeper issues regardless of your right for free expression.

There was a commentator on gawker who claimed to be a female minority student at Yale, who said the costume thing was the tipping point on top of a huge pile of other injustices and ineffective responses from yale's administration. She made it sound like there's a lot of frat boy culture there... Which should come as a shock to no one who has ever been inside of an investment bank.

While I sympathize with her grievances, my own attempts to discuss this with people from her generation have all been met with them calling me a racist white person. Who watches fox. All of this because I said the letter about owning responsibility for a Halloween costume was not a bad thing.

It is very, very hard to argue with hysterics on any side of an argument... But my takeaway here is complete disgust with the state of academia. It's not just Yale... My alma mater is full of hysteria about Halloween costumes and racial stereotypes right now too. And since they only have about a 7 per cent minority population... It's mostly a bunch of white rich kids falling all over themselves to apologize for being oppressors.

So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

Ok, I am not the earlier poster but where did she show less contempt for other unacceptable behavior? This is not about other DCUM posters, but Yale students. The real problem is that there is not more moral outrage at these protests from other students. Many students simply refuse to engage or buckle under out of fear of being criticized by students with aggressive tactics, so only the most extreme voices are heard.

I do not condone the student's behavior. She was out of line. What I do take issue with is the attempt to make her the representative for contemptible behavior. The same outrage you have with her should be the same outrage you have for anyone anywhere, no matter how rich and powerful or connected, who exhibits this kind of behavior. Period.

From Yale’s “Intro To Undergrad Education”:

“Freedom of expression is especially important in an academic community, where the search for truth holds a primary value. In 1975, a committee chaired by the late C. Vann Woodward, one of Yale’s most distinguished professors, issued the Report of the Committee on Freedom of Expression at Yale, informally called the Woodward Report. This document emphasizes that the history of intellectual growth and discovery demonstrates the need to be able to ‘think the unthinkable, discuss the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.’ The report acknowledges that such freedom may sometimes make life uncomfortable in a small society such as a college. But it also asserts that ‘because no other institution combines the discovery and dissemination of basic knowledge with teaching, few need assign such high priority to it.’

Yale’s commitment to freedom of expression means that when you agree to matriculate, you join a community where ‘the provocative, the disturbing, and the unorthodox’ must be tolerated. When you encounter people who think differently than you do, you will be expected to honor their free expression, even when what they have to say seems wrong or offensive to you.” Wow. How the times have changed.

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Anonymous wrote: A subsequent campus story reported that 100 students last week rallied outside of a forum on freedom on speech by a conservative group -- one went inside to disrupt it and was arrested -- others outside reportedly actually spat on people as they exited the forum. Alums should be contacting the school to tell them they cannot by silence condone such aggressive tactics. The school can work on any legitimate complaints without having to turn a blind eye to unacceptable behavior.

You just described the EXACT antics that occurred at a recent Trump gathering though the Hispanic gentleman was not arrested but spat on repeatedly with no outrage from the event attendees.

Did you turn a blend eye to that behavior?

*blind*

Anonymous wrote: A subsequent campus story reported that 100 students last week rallied outside of a forum on freedom on speech by a conservative group -- one went inside to disrupt it and was arrested -- others outside reportedly actually spat on people as they exited the forum. Alums should be contacting the school to tell them they cannot by silence condone such aggressive tactics. The school can work on any legitimate complaints without having to turn a blind eye to unacceptable behavior.

You just described the EXACT antics that occurred at a recent Trump gathering though the Hispanic gentleman was not arrested but spat on repeatedly with no outrage from the event attendees.

Did you turn a blend eye to that behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:Yelling profanity is trigger for me since I suffered emotional and verbal abuse my entire childhood. The student should be expelled for violating my safe space.

And for some, having seen people dressed in outfits with swastikas and faces painted black with hugely exaggerated white lips is abuse and terrifying.

They share your pain and appreciate how you would have empathy towards actions that further exacerbate emotional upheaval. Any actions that would violate their safe space should be grounds for expulsion. I agree with you.

Yet no one claimed that anyone was dressing up in these "costumes." The mere fact that they were not expressly prohibited and that discussion among students was suggested as a mature approach was enough to "trigger" such outrage and angst. Have we now reached a point where the stress of something that has not occurred is enough to trigger disrespect, emotional upheaval and boorish behavior? How are these students going to handle the realities of life if they fall apart at the mere possibility of offense?

It seems that we have candidates who are "triggered" if they don't agree with an opposing opinion. They have no problem showing disrespect and boorish behavior. Where is the outrage? Yet, you ask how these students are going to handle the realities of life when so-called respectable, mature adults are shoving it in their face daily.