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Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so clueless. Addiction is a very, very powerful disease. You don't just "decide" to get clean or continue to use. Some people get themselves together, and many people can't beat it. It is an illness, not a lifestyle choice.

Eh. Even addiction experts will say that this line of black and white thinking is both tricky, somewhat outdated and for many addicts may serve to be counter-productive.

The reality is that its a little bit of BOTH. Like many, many things that effect us there are elements of "nurture" and "nature" that can go into that pathology. Because part of the 'cure' if you will IS a decision making process, every day, to live a lifestyle. It is, therefore, unique from other diseases in that respect that do have a more black and white sort of pathology. There was a piece last year in the Atlantic about the research being done where there is a negative effect with some addicts in the whole "I am powerless over XXXX" being a per-requisite for sobriety.

And some people don't want to get better. I've witnessed that in my own family. But PPs' insistence that somehow someone with wealth and means has a better chance or responsibility to get clean than a poor person is nonsense.

You really don't think that if you took two people with the same kind of addiction, the same emotional and physical health profile and the same desire to get clean, but one had money to afford the best medical care, rehab facilities, etc., and the other had to struggle along on their own because they couldn't afford those programs, the wealthy person wouldn't have even a slightly higher chance of achieving and maintaining sobriety?

Not that PP, but look at the high number of wealthy celebs and athletes who have battled addiction and relapsed, some multiple times.

Whitney Houston
Philip Seymour Hoffman
Corey Monteith
Darryl Strawberry
Dwight Gooden
Kelly Osbourne
Charlie Sheen
Robert Downey Jr
Drew Barrymore
Lindsay Lohan
Tara Reid
Lawrence Taylor

Anonymous wrote:More disposable income to spend on more drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so clueless. Addiction is a very, very powerful disease. You don't just "decide" to get clean or continue to use. Some people get themselves together, and many people can't beat it. It is an illness, not a lifestyle choice.

Eh. Even addiction experts will say that this line of black and white thinking is both tricky, somewhat outdated and for many addicts may serve to be counter-productive.

The reality is that its a little bit of BOTH. Like many, many things that effect us there are elements of "nurture" and "nature" that can go into that pathology. Because part of the 'cure' if you will IS a decision making process, every day, to live a lifestyle. It is, therefore, unique from other diseases in that respect that do have a more black and white sort of pathology. There was a piece last year in the Atlantic about the research being done where there is a negative effect with some addicts in the whole "I am powerless over XXXX" being a per-requisite for sobriety.

And some people don't want to get better. I've witnessed that in my own family. But PPs' insistence that somehow someone with wealth and means has a better chance or responsibility to get clean than a poor person is nonsense.

You really don't think that if you took two people with the same kind of addiction, the same emotional and physical health profile and the same desire to get clean, but one had money to afford the best medical care, rehab facilities, etc., and the other had to struggle along on their own because they couldn't afford those programs, the wealthy person wouldn't have even a slightly higher chance of achieving and maintaining sobriety?

Not that PP, but look at the high number of wealthy celebs and athletes who have battled addiction and relapsed, some multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so clueless. Addiction is a very, very powerful disease. You don't just "decide" to get clean or continue to use. Some people get themselves together, and many people can't beat it. It is an illness, not a lifestyle choice.

Eh. Even addiction experts will say that this line of black and white thinking is both tricky, somewhat outdated and for many addicts may serve to be counter-productive.

The reality is that its a little bit of BOTH. Like many, many things that effect us there are elements of "nurture" and "nature" that can go into that pathology. Because part of the 'cure' if you will IS a decision making process, every day, to live a lifestyle. It is, therefore, unique from other diseases in that respect that do have a more black and white sort of pathology. There was a piece last year in the Atlantic about the research being done where there is a negative effect with some addicts in the whole "I am powerless over XXXX" being a per-requisite for sobriety.

And some people don't want to get better. I've witnessed that in my own family. But PPs' insistence that somehow someone with wealth and means has a better chance or responsibility to get clean than a poor person is nonsense.

You really don't think that if you took two people with the same kind of addiction, the same emotional and physical health profile and the same desire to get clean, but one had money to afford the best medical care, rehab facilities, etc., and the other had to struggle along on their own because they couldn't afford those programs, the wealthy person wouldn't have even a slightly higher chance of achieving and maintaining sobriety?

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Anonymous wrote:Did Fredo Corleone own the brothel where this happened?

I don't get it, but the brothel in question wasn't the Bunny Ranch as stated in the thread title. It was the Love Ranch owned by Dennis Hof who was on HBO's Cathouse.

Really who cares. Aren't they all the same sort of thing?

Whoosh!

Well, this part of the thread is upsetting. Seriously PPs?!

Not getting a Godfather reference right away is what is "upsetting" to you about this thread? Poor Lamar!

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so clueless. Addiction is a very, very powerful disease. You don't just "decide" to get clean or continue to use. Some people get themselves together, and many people can't beat it. It is an illness, not a lifestyle choice.

Eh. Even addiction experts will say that this line of black and white thinking is both tricky, somewhat outdated and for many addicts may serve to be counter-productive.

The reality is that its a little bit of BOTH. Like many, many things that effect us there are elements of "nurture" and "nature" that can go into that pathology. Because part of the 'cure' if you will IS a decision making process, every day, to live a lifestyle. It is, therefore, unique from other diseases in that respect that do have a more black and white sort of pathology. There was a piece last year in the Atlantic about the research being done where there is a negative effect with some addicts in the whole "I am powerless over XXXX" being a per-requisite for sobriety.

And some people don't want to get better. I've witnessed that in my own family. But PPs' insistence that somehow someone with wealth and means has a better chance or responsibility to get clean than a poor person is nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Did Fredo Corleone own the brothel where this happened?

I don't get it, but the brothel in question wasn't the Bunny Ranch as stated in the thread title. It was the Love Ranch owned by Dennis Hof who was on HBO's Cathouse.

Really who cares. Aren't they all the same sort of thing?

Whoosh!

Well, this part of the thread is upsetting. Seriously PPs?!

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Fredo Corleone own the brothel where this happened?

I don't get it, but the brothel in question wasn't the Bunny Ranch as stated in the thread title. It was the Love Ranch owned by Dennis Hof who was on HBO's Cathouse.

Really who cares. Aren't they all the same sort of thing?

Whoosh!

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so clueless. Addiction is a very, very powerful disease. You don't just "decide" to get clean or continue to use. Some people get themselves together, and many people can't beat it. It is an illness, not a lifestyle choice.

Eh. Even addiction experts will say that this line of black and white thinking is both tricky, somewhat outdated and for many addicts may serve to be counter-productive.

The reality is that its a little bit of BOTH. Like many, many things that effect us there are elements of "nurture" and "nature" that can go into that pathology. Because part of the 'cure' if you will IS a decision making process, every day, to live a lifestyle. It is, therefore, unique from other diseases in that respect that do have a more black and white sort of pathology. There was a piece last year in the Atlantic about the research being done where there is a negative effect with some addicts in the whole "I am powerless over XXXX" being a per-requisite for sobriety.