Anonymous
09/14/2015 21:24
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: FCPS used to administer WISC but stopped because it is too expensive. It wouldn't be fair to out that cost on families.
It didn't have individual wisc tests for decades. It had cogat and otis lennen. Went to naglieri /cogat in the early 2000's to increase minority id. Then the program exploded and not with targeted minorities.
Probably correlates with the exploding growth in student membership -- see the table on page 4 and the bar graph on page 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/it/studentreporting/historical/pdfs/Ethnicity_Race_Gender/2014-15%20EthnicRaceGenderReport.pdf
No. The final year of cogat/otis lennen resulted in X number of grade 2 going to centers for grade 3. Those 3rd graders [center and base] year were all administered cogat/naglieri and many more came to centers for grade 4. That was the dramatic explosion based on change in criteria. A simple example is: If 100 kids were in grade 2 about 15 went to centers for grade 3. Assume that left 85 in the base school for grade 3 plus 3 move ins. Out of those 88 maybe 15 plus more came to the center for grade 4.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 17:40
Subject: Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:People need to chill out about AAP. Even if AAP did vanish from Fairfax county, their will always be GT services for those who qualify. Just like every county in America with $. The problem here is there is no cut off entrance score. We came from out of state, GT admission was Iq composite 132. No matter how gifted a mother or teacher thinks their child is the cut off is 132, no exceptions. GT services are part of the special ed dept and schools receive extra funding per student b/c of that. The openended cut off here brings about hurt feeling and aggression from parents of many students not accepted into the AAP. Not having AAP or GT services in the Special ed dept brings about eliteism in parents of AAP students. The combination of these two makes FFC an unpleasnt environment and a bet if a mess!
I believe that Virginia law might prohibit a hard cutoff. The county sort of gets around that by having a cutoff for automatic referral, but any parent can still refer.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 17:26
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: FCPS used to administer WISC but stopped because it is too expensive. It wouldn't be fair to out that cost on families.
It didn't have individual wisc tests for decades. It had cogat and otis lennen. Went to naglieri /cogat in the early 2000's to increase minority id. Then the program exploded and not with targeted minorities.
Probably correlates with the exploding growth in student membership -- see the table on page 4 and the bar graph on page 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/it/studentreporting/historical/pdfs/Ethnicity_Race_Gender/2014-15%20EthnicRaceGenderReport.pdf
Anonymous
09/14/2015 16:12
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote: FCPS used to administer WISC but stopped because it is too expensive. It wouldn't be fair to out that cost on families.
It didn't have individual wisc tests for decades. It had cogat and otis lennen. Went to naglieri /cogat in the early 2000's to increase minority id. Then the program exploded and not with targeted minorities.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 15:35
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One school for all 150+ IQ kids? How would you pick a location.
Next to TJ- they cold share busses.
I don't know many 3rd grade parents who would want their children to commute an hour or more each way to go to the one designated center. There is a middle ground between eliminating all centers and having as many as we do now.
Just want to point out that Fairfax often buses special needs kids over an hour each way to designated "centers" to save money.
Who is often bused more than an hour each way? What are the centers? Curious.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 15:11
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote: FCPS used to administer WISC but stopped because it is too expensive. It wouldn't be fair to out that cost on families.
Why not? It's not required.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 14:48
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote: FCPS used to administer WISC but stopped because it is too expensive. It wouldn't be fair to out that cost on families.
might turn out to be cheaper than having centers and busing?
(just sayin.... although we are very happy with our center and my child is bused).
Anonymous
09/14/2015 14:17
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
People need to chill out about AAP. Even if AAP did vanish from Fairfax county, their will always be GT services for those who qualify. Just like every county in America with $. The problem here is there is no cut off entrance score. We came from out of state, GT admission was Iq composite 132. No matter how gifted a mother or teacher thinks their child is the cut off is 132, no exceptions. GT services are part of the special ed dept and schools receive extra funding per student b/c of that. The openended cut off here brings about hurt feeling and aggression from parents of many students not accepted into the AAP. Not having AAP or GT services in the Special ed dept brings about eliteism in parents of AAP students. The combination of these two makes FFC an unpleasnt environment and a bet if a mess
As a hater of AAP, this seemed like a reasonable post.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 14:12
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
FCPS used to administer WISC but stopped because it is too expensive. It wouldn't be fair to out that cost on families.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 13:03
Subject: Eliminating AAP?
People need to chill out about AAP. Even if AAP did vanish from Fairfax county, their will always be GT services for those who qualify. Just like every county in America with $. The problem here is there is no cut off entrance score. We came from out of state, GT admission was Iq composite 132. No matter how gifted a mother or teacher thinks their child is the cut off is 132, no exceptions. GT services are part of the special ed dept and schools receive extra funding per student b/c of that. The openended cut off here brings about hurt feeling and aggression from parents of many students not accepted into the AAP. Not having AAP or GT services in the Special ed dept brings about eliteism in parents of AAP students. The combination of these two makes FFC an unpleasnt environment and a bet if a mess!
Anonymous
09/14/2015 12:32
Subject: Eliminating AAP?
^^And when do you provide notice to these kids about them not attending the school they do now?
Anonymous
09/14/2015 12:31
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One school for all 150+ IQ kids? How would you pick a location.
Next to TJ- they cold share busses.
I don't know many 3rd grade parents who would want their children to commute an hour or more each way to go to the one designated center. There is a middle ground between eliminating all centers and having as many as we do now.
Are you kidding? It would provide even more bragging rights. Parents would be clamoring to send their kids there. It would be viewed as a,necessary stepping stone to TJ. There would be no problem getting parents to send their kids there.
Uh no. We live in the Western end of the county. DS has the ability to qualify for TJ (although it is admittedly a crap shoot) and I am actively discouraging him from applying, in part, because I don't want him to spend more than 2 hours a day busing (and in part because I think the OTT competitive environment is unhealthy). Why in the world would a parent want that for an ES aged kid sign them up for that type of commute at the age of 8? Especially when GBW+Navy+ Oak Hill AAP (or some similar combo) could easily fill 28-30 classrooms grades 3-6-- that is fill an entire school? Same with LA + Wolftrap + LLIVs at Vienna & Oakton ESs (or again, some similar combo). I'm sure it's the same in areas like Langley. 3-4 Centers &/or LLIV Centers could fill a complete 3-6 grade school.
Well, I see it the same as some of the other programs the county does at one or possibly two sites. I don't see why it would be differently organized.
Exactly, it's a special accommodation that FCPS would be so generously providing for your child and now you want to complain that you don't want the commute.
Guess what? It's an option, not mandatory. If it's so immensely important to your child's well being, you would not hesitate to make the commute work. If your wavering on whether the commute would be worth it, that means your kid would be fine at the base school.
Those of us with kids that truly NEED a specific therapy/intervention/enrichment, would drive wherever necessary to make it happen. Especially if it were being provided *free* of cost by our school system.
How will this one-school-center-near-TJ-for-the-top-0.002%-of-students-identified-as-Center-eligible be in place for open house 50 weeks from now? And how does it save $ for the 2016-17 budget?
Here's a link to the Facilities Capacity Utilization projections for 2019-20:
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/maps/capacityutilization/elementary2019-20.pdf
Which elementary school near TJ has the space for 120 students per grade (480)?
Or does this idea also involve moving students out of the designated one-school-center-near-TJ-for-the-top-0.002%-of-students-identified-as-Center-eligible to another nearby school?
What school do those kids go to? And how do you get them there -- a bus, I am guessing?
Anonymous
09/14/2015 12:19
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One school for all 150+ IQ kids? How would you pick a location.
Next to TJ- they cold share busses.
I don't know many 3rd grade parents who would want their children to commute an hour or more each way to go to the one designated center. There is a middle ground between eliminating all centers and having as many as we do now.
Are you kidding? It would provide even more bragging rights. Parents would be clamoring to send their kids there. It would be viewed as a,necessary stepping stone to TJ. There would be no problem getting parents to send their kids there.
Uh no. We live in the Western end of the county. DS has the ability to qualify for TJ (although it is admittedly a crap shoot) and I am actively discouraging him from applying, in part, because I don't want him to spend more than 2 hours a day busing (and in part because I think the OTT competitive environment is unhealthy). Why in the world would a parent want that for an ES aged kid sign them up for that type of commute at the age of 8? Especially when GBW+Navy+ Oak Hill AAP (or some similar combo) could easily fill 28-30 classrooms grades 3-6-- that is fill an entire school? Same with LA + Wolftrap + LLIVs at Vienna & Oakton ESs (or again, some similar combo). I'm sure it's the same in areas like Langley. 3-4 Centers &/or LLIV Centers could fill a complete 3-6 grade school.
Well, I see it the same as some of the other programs the county does at one or possibly two sites. I don't see why it would be differently organized.
Exactly, it's a special accommodation that FCPS would be so generously providing for your child and now you want to complain that you don't want the commute.
Guess what? It's an option, not mandatory. If it's so immensely important to your child's well being, you would not hesitate to make the commute work. If your wavering on whether the commute would be worth it, that means your kid would be fine at the base school.
Those of us with kids that truly NEED a specific therapy/intervention/enrichment, would drive wherever necessary to make it happen. Especially if it were being provided *free* of cost by our school system.
How will this one-school-center-near-TJ-for-the-top-0.002%-of-students-identified-as-Center-eligible be in place for open house 50 weeks from now? And how does it save $ for the 2016-17 budget?
Anonymous
09/14/2015 12:17
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One school for all 150+ IQ kids? How would you pick a location.
Next to TJ- they cold share busses.
I don't know many 3rd grade parents who would want their children to commute an hour or more each way to go to the one designated center. There is a middle ground between eliminating all centers and having as many as we do now.
Are you kidding? It would provide even more bragging rights. Parents would be clamoring to send their kids there. It would be viewed as a,necessary stepping stone to TJ. There would be no problem getting parents to send their kids there.
Uh no. We live in the Western end of the county. DS has the ability to qualify for TJ (although it is admittedly a crap shoot) and I am actively discouraging him from applying, in part, because I don't want him to spend more than 2 hours a day busing (and in part because I think the OTT competitive environment is unhealthy). Why in the world would a parent want that for an ES aged kid sign them up for that type of commute at the age of 8? Especially when GBW+Navy+ Oak Hill AAP (or some similar combo) could easily fill 28-30 classrooms grades 3-6-- that is fill an entire school? Same with LA + Wolftrap + LLIVs at Vienna & Oakton ESs (or again, some similar combo). I'm sure it's the same in areas like Langley. 3-4 Centers &/or LLIV Centers could fill a complete 3-6 grade school.
Well, I see it the same as some of the other programs the county does at one or possibly two sites. I don't see why it would be differently organized.
Exactly, it's a special accommodation that FCPS would be so generously providing for your child and now you want to complain that you don't want the commute.
Guess what? It's an option, not mandatory. If it's so immensely important to your child's well being, you would not hesitate to make the commute work. If your wavering on whether the commute would be worth it, that means your kid would be fine at the base school.
Those of us with kids that truly NEED a specific therapy/intervention/enrichment, would drive wherever necessary to make it happen. Especially if it were being provided *free* of cost by our school system.
Anonymous
09/14/2015 11:46
Subject: Re:Eliminating AAP?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One school for all 150+ IQ kids? How would you pick a location.
Next to TJ- they cold share busses.
I don't know many 3rd grade parents who would want their children to commute an hour or more each way to go to the one designated center. There is a middle ground between eliminating all centers and having as many as we do now.
Are you kidding? It would provide even more bragging rights. Parents would be clamoring to send their kids there. It would be viewed as a,necessary stepping stone to TJ. There would be no problem getting parents to send their kids there.
Uh no. We live in the Western end of the county. DS has the ability to qualify for TJ (although it is admittedly a crap shoot) and I am actively discouraging him from applying, in part, because I don't want him to spend more than 2 hours a day busing (and in part because I think the OTT competitive environment is unhealthy). Why in the world would a parent want that for an ES aged kid sign them up for that type of commute at the age of 8? Especially when GBW+Navy+ Oak Hill AAP (or some similar combo) could easily fill 28-30 classrooms grades 3-6-- that is fill an entire school? Same with LA + Wolftrap + LLIVs at Vienna & Oakton ESs (or again, some similar combo). I'm sure it's the same in areas like Langley. 3-4 Centers &/or LLIV Centers could fill a complete 3-6 grade school.
Well, I see it the same as some of the other programs the county does at one or possibly two sites. I don't see why it would be differently organized.