Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 21:24     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
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Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.


This is very true. I have friends who had family members end up in Europe and they are way more isolated and religiously conservative.

What are you talking about?


Maybe that wasn't clear enough: I have Muslim friends who immigrated to the U.S., but had family members immigrate to Europe. Their family members who immigrated to Europe are very religiously conservative and more isolated/apart from the society they immigrated to than my American immigrant friends are.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 20:33     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
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Anonymous wrote:Nope, mine took his family because he cared about the women and children too.

My european friends are all posting videos about how ISIS is infiltrating europe with all these adult male "refugees."


They are correct. Phase 2 of the caliphate

Exactly. The wiser nations are rightfully protecting their boarders from the onslaught of who-knows-what.

Germany is doomed. Not going there again.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 20:30     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Economic migrants - those that don't find work will become holy warriors....

Europe for Christians!!! And Jewish brothers.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 20:25     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:Nope, mine took his family because he cared about the women and children too.

My european friends are all posting videos about how ISIS is infiltrating europe with all these adult male "refugees."


They are correct. Phase 2 of the caliphate
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 20:11     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.


This is very true. I have friends who had family members end up in Europe and they are way more isolated and religiously conservative.

What are you talking about?
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 20:07     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.


This is very true. I have friends who had family members end up in Europe and they are way more isolated and religiously conservative.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 19:18     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:That horrifying photo of the little boy who drowned. The family was not fleeing from Syria but was leaving Turkey a relatively peacefull country. The family just wants welfare from western countries. Had they stayed in Turkey, that boy would be alive today.


People have complex reasons for migrating. It's not one or the other. They are war refugees; they also have economic concerns. And Syrians and Turks don't have good relations. Syrians would not be welcome in Turkey and they are traditional enemies. The fact that Turkey is peaceful is not a deciding factor. Again, common sense dictates that they would move on.


This isn't really true- Turkey has taken in more refugees than anyone else - almost 2million. While a dignificant percentage of those are in camps near the border, the rest are dispersed throughout the country. A friend of mine who currently lives in Turkey brought up a really interesting point recently- middle class Syrians who decided to stay in Turkey are often in better shape because they still have money, whereas those that want to get to Europe pretty much have to sell everything they own to the smugglers. If European countries would offer legal ways for the refugees to cross, then there would be many who could help themselves to set up a better life. As of now the smugglers are getting all the money and the migrants are all penniless.

I hope Germany and other countries who take in refugees make a concerted effort to integrate them into society. In places like France Muslims tent to be really isolated- they can't get jobs or good housing. This just breeds discontent and desperation.

Exactly how would you make a concerted effort to integrate them into your home/neighborhood?


Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.

You mean you have no direct experience of your own? Why do you need to dig up someone else's story? You should have your own story to share about how you helped integrate Muslims into your family. Think about it.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 12:33     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That horrifying photo of the little boy who drowned. The family was not fleeing from Syria but was leaving Turkey a relatively peacefull country. The family just wants welfare from western countries. Had they stayed in Turkey, that boy would be alive today.


People have complex reasons for migrating. It's not one or the other. They are war refugees; they also have economic concerns. And Syrians and Turks don't have good relations. Syrians would not be welcome in Turkey and they are traditional enemies. The fact that Turkey is peaceful is not a deciding factor. Again, common sense dictates that they would move on.


This isn't really true- Turkey has taken in more refugees than anyone else - almost 2million. While a dignificant percentage of those are in camps near the border, the rest are dispersed throughout the country. A friend of mine who currently lives in Turkey brought up a really interesting point recently- middle class Syrians who decided to stay in Turkey are often in better shape because they still have money, whereas those that want to get to Europe pretty much have to sell everything they own to the smugglers. If European countries would offer legal ways for the refugees to cross, then there would be many who could help themselves to set up a better life. As of now the smugglers are getting all the money and the migrants are all penniless.

I hope Germany and other countries who take in refugees make a concerted effort to integrate them into society. In places like France Muslims tent to be really isolated- they can't get jobs or good housing. This just breeds discontent and desperation.

Exactly how would you make a concerted effort to integrate them into your home/neighborhood?


Not relegate them to the Paris slums, for starters. Or turn them down for a job simply because they are Muslim. There was a really interesting story on npr about this recently- on average, Muslims tend to be much better integrated in the US than in many European countries. I'll see if I can dig it up.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 11:31     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
I see all these little Syrian women in their black scraves and I just think of the creepy Greek grandmother from My Big Fat Greek Wedding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g29UCHbJKqk
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 11:26     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
That ABC link is telling. This country accepted them in but they're not getting enough free handouts. Not to mention the local population there probably won't put up with their Islamic bullshit.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 11:06     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That horrifying photo of the little boy who drowned. The family was not fleeing from Syria but was leaving Turkey a relatively peacefull country. The family just wants welfare from western countries. Had they stayed in Turkey, that boy would be alive today.


People have complex reasons for migrating. It's not one or the other. They are war refugees; they also have economic concerns. And Syrians and Turks don't have good relations. Syrians would not be welcome in Turkey and they are traditional enemies. The fact that Turkey is peaceful is not a deciding factor. Again, common sense dictates that they would move on.


This isn't really true- Turkey has taken in more refugees than anyone else - almost 2million. While a dignificant percentage of those are in camps near the border, the rest are dispersed throughout the country. A friend of mine who currently lives in Turkey brought up a really interesting point recently- middle class Syrians who decided to stay in Turkey are often in better shape because they still have money, whereas those that want to get to Europe pretty much have to sell everything they own to the smugglers. If European countries would offer legal ways for the refugees to cross, then there would be many who could help themselves to set up a better life. As of now the smugglers are getting all the money and the migrants are all penniless.

I hope Germany and other countries who take in refugees make a concerted effort to integrate them into society. In places like France Muslims tent to be really isolated- they can't get jobs or good housing. This just breeds discontent and desperation.

Exactly how would you make a concerted effort to integrate them into your home/neighborhood?
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2015 10:53     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That horrifying photo of the little boy who drowned. The family was not fleeing from Syria but was leaving Turkey a relatively peacefull country. The family just wants welfare from western countries. Had they stayed in Turkey, that boy would be alive today.


People have complex reasons for migrating. It's not one or the other. They are war refugees; they also have economic concerns. And Syrians and Turks don't have good relations. Syrians would not be welcome in Turkey and they are traditional enemies. The fact that Turkey is peaceful is not a deciding factor. Again, common sense dictates that they would move on.


This isn't really true- Turkey has taken in more refugees than anyone else - almost 2million. While a dignificant percentage of those are in camps near the border, the rest are dispersed throughout the country. A friend of mine who currently lives in Turkey brought up a really interesting point recently- middle class Syrians who decided to stay in Turkey are often in better shape because they still have money, whereas those that want to get to Europe pretty much have to sell everything they own to the smugglers. If European countries would offer legal ways for the refugees to cross, then there would be many who could help themselves to set up a better life. As of now the smugglers are getting all the money and the migrants are all penniless.

I hope Germany and other countries who take in refugees make a concerted effort to integrate them into society. In places like France Muslims tent to be really isolated- they can't get jobs or good housing. This just breeds discontent and desperation.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2015 23:10     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do the Mexican immigrants overwhelming come only to the US? Why aren't other countries offering to take them too. I totally understand the need for all countries to take in the Syrian refugees, but I wonder why the same isn't true for those from Mexico.


Because they can. Because there is no strong resistance. Because there is no consequence. Because it is all upside.


Uh, would it make sense to seek a better life in Honduras or Belize?
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2015 22:14     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:Why do the Mexican immigrants overwhelming come only to the US? Why aren't other countries offering to take them too. I totally understand the need for all countries to take in the Syrian refugees, but I wonder why the same isn't true for those from Mexico.


Because they can. Because there is no strong resistance. Because there is no consequence. Because it is all upside.
Anonymous
Post 09/07/2015 22:12     Subject: Why are 80% of the "refugees" men? Where are the women, children and elderly.
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This problem will overwhelm Europe and change it forever. I suspect an increasing number of them are economic migrants and not refugees, but they'll all claim to be victims of wartime persecution and torture. And no one will have papers. What will Europe do? I think Germany needs to quickly determine who are Not refugees and send them home very publicly to try and prompt a pause in this. It's so telling that they all want to go to the wealthiest nations and not just a safe place. The U.S. Needs to pay attention and our citizens need to be vocal about what we will and will not accept as a nation. I think Trump is a loon but this European migrant crisis plays right into his campaign.


that is IS's plan. This is stealth Jihad. I'm sure probably 99.9% of the refugees are just seeking safety for themselves and their families and have no idea they are being used as pawns by IS. It's so so sad. I don't know of a solution though, and the influx of immigrants is going to change the host countries. More needs to be done to convince (or demand) that othe Muslim nations take on these refugees. The most wealthy Muslim countries are refusing, saying it's a security risk for their country. Don't you think it's even more of a "security risk" for the western countries taking in the refugees?


I agree.


Yes.