Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why anyone has a problem with an infant being in a quiet upscale wine bar. This isn't selfish millennials -- unless the baby starts crying. But from what I gather, these were some nice friends out with a quiet well behaved baby. Why would anyone at the bar have a problem with it? The baby isn't doing anything to offend anyone else, other than by virtue of being there. The other PPs are pissed just because they "think" it shouldn't happen. They should get over themselves, just like people who "thought" interracial dating and same-sex marriages were taboo should get over themselves. Yeah, a slightly more extreme example, but the analogy still sticks: That the activity isn't hurting anyone so why do they care?

I think it's great the friends were all able to connect, even though a baby can sometimes change the dynamic of friendships. When I had a baby, most of my girlfriends were (and continue to be) single and/or childless. I met moms through mom groups, and while I made a few friends in the groups, by and large I found these folks painfully boring and not people I would have been friends with in the absence of kids. I'm glad I've been able to stay tight with my childless friends, and that often means going to bars, hipster restaurants, urban backyards and other random places that you may not want to bring your friends. Some times other folks have kids there, which is great. But life goes on if it's just mom, dad and son.

Also - someone suggested that it was horrible to leave an infant bored like that without stimulation in a bar. But what about all you suburbanites who spend 2 hours a day in the car while your infants just stare at the backseat? That's so unstimulating. It's okay if infants spend some time not being stimulated and with their own thoughts. I suspect this woman spends less time at wine bars than your kids spend blankly in the carseat.

Are you the woman with the baby?

It was described as a "girls night out" (which to me means wine glasses, laughing, and loud ladies) and no mention of the baby's behavior. The baby could have been crying, asleep, or drooling all over the place. No mention made.

The mother was selfish. Leave the baby at home. Pay for the sitter so others can enjoy themselves. I feel bad because she probably is a single mom (if not, why wasn't her DH caring for the baby so she could enjoy herself - if she has a DH he is an ass for not staying home with baby).

Also, what kind of mother keeps her baby up past 8? Seriously, not doing that kid any favors for growth and brain development.

Millennial moms. Always putting their needs before their kids.

Well, at least they are bringing their babies in with them and not leaving them strapped in their car seats in hot cars while drinking the bar like I've been reading about some moms doing lately.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/08/11/oklahoma-woman-children-car-florida-bar/31469801/

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Anonymous wrote:When wealthy white parents do it in nice bars, it's fine. When poor people of color do it at dive bars, it's child abuse.

+1 would some of these people that are saying myob be ok with a man taking his baby to a strip bar.. so long as there is no smoking allowed?

strip bars are not appropriate for children, period. Restaurants, pubs, wine bars, etc - completely fine as long as you're not bothering other people. If you can't tell the difference between a strip bar and a pub/restaurant/wine bar - then you're a retard.

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Anonymous wrote:OK I have a feeling this was a classy wine bar instead of the honky tonk bar that pps are making it out to be. Who knows, maybe it was someone's birthday or the babysitter cancelled. As long as the baby didn't mind, I don't see the big deal. I have more of an issue with 5-7 year olds in bars. And last time I saw kids in a bar they were wearing pajamas!

Seriously?


Wow. I think a baby in a bar after 8 pm inappropriate (even if a nice restaurant/bar). An older child/toddler definitely.

If you have enough money to go to these places you can afford a sitter. I know a lot of people are indifferent but that is the general trend to not be considerate of others. It boils down to - is this a place and time of day meant for that audience. Taking a child to cultural events is very different than honky tonks or wine bars.

But not a single poster has yet explained WHY it is not considerate to others to bring a non-crying baby to a WINE bar at 9pm. How does this affect you? Why does it make a difference to YOU if it happens at 6pm?

(And have some of you people ever been to a bar since college? The way you're talking and wine bars and honky tonk bars in the same sentence makes me think you don't get out much. You know a wine bar basically feels like a hotel bar/restaurant, right?)

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why anyone has a problem with an infant being in a quiet upscale wine bar. This isn't selfish millennials -- unless the baby starts crying. But from what I gather, these were some nice friends out with a quiet well behaved baby. Why would anyone at the bar have a problem with it? The baby isn't doing anything to offend anyone else, other than by virtue of being there. The other PPs are pissed just because they "think" it shouldn't happen. They should get over themselves, just like people who "thought" interracial dating and same-sex marriages were taboo should get over themselves. Yeah, a slightly more extreme example, but the analogy still sticks: That the activity isn't hurting anyone so why do they care?

I think it's great the friends were all able to connect, even though a baby can sometimes change the dynamic of friendships. When I had a baby, most of my girlfriends were (and continue to be) single and/or childless. I met moms through mom groups, and while I made a few friends in the groups, by and large I found these folks painfully boring and not people I would have been friends with in the absence of kids. I'm glad I've been able to stay tight with my childless friends, and that often means going to bars, hipster restaurants, urban backyards and other random places that you may not want to bring your friends. Some times other folks have kids there, which is great. But life goes on if it's just mom, dad and son.

Also - someone suggested that it was horrible to leave an infant bored like that without stimulation in a bar. But what about all you suburbanites who spend 2 hours a day in the car while your infants just stare at the backseat? That's so unstimulating. It's okay if infants spend some time not being stimulated and with their own thoughts. I suspect this woman spends less time at wine bars than your kids spend blankly in the carseat.

Actually as a child development masters, I can tell you that a restaurant or bar at that time of night for a baby is way too much stimulation for a baby's brain. The natural rhythms of a baby should be winding down around 4 pm (think clean slate in the morning when a baby wakes - so the most stimulation then and wind down later in the evening).

Anonymous wrote:When wealthy white parents do it in nice bars, it's fine. When poor people of color do it at dive bars, it's child abuse.

+1 would some of these people that are saying myob be ok with a man taking his baby to a strip bar.. so long as there is no smoking allowed?

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe, we saw babies in pubs and restaurants late at night all the time.

Europeans are lushes and not exactly good role models. They also smoke a lot and have unhealthy attitudes about things like sex. What's your point?

Oh please; that's the stupidest statement I've heard on this thread.

Europeans tend to be more moderate about alcohol consumption and have a much healthier attitude about sex.

Anonymous wrote:OK I have a feeling this was a classy wine bar instead of the honky tonk bar that pps are making it out to be. Who knows, maybe it was someone's birthday or the babysitter cancelled. As long as the baby didn't mind, I don't see the big deal. I have more of an issue with 5-7 year olds in bars. And last time I saw kids in a bar they were wearing pajamas!

Seriously?


Wow. I think a baby in a bar after 8 pm inappropriate (even if a nice restaurant/bar). An older child/toddler definitely.

If you have enough money to go to these places you can afford a sitter. I know a lot of people are indifferent but that is the general trend to not be considerate of others. It boils down to - is this a place and time of day meant for that audience. Taking a child to cultural events is very different than honky tonks or wine bars.

Anonymous wrote:A bar sponsors one of my daughter's sports teams. We troop those tween girls in there a couple of times a season for food and drink. The other patrons love it.

At 9 pm at night???

Kids in bars not an issue. During the day and through happy hour. But kids in bars at night is just plain annoying to others.

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Anonymous wrote:I think American parents would be a lot happier if it was NBD to bring your kid to a bar. This whole idea that motherhood automatically excludes you from having a life is very unhealthy.

That is ridiculous. Parents go to bars - they just don't bring their kids along. It's o.k. to have a grown up night out AWAY from the kids. Period.

Evidently parents do bring their kids along. It's just that you think they shouldn't.

And they are obnoxious, self centered and inconsiderate people. No doubt.

This. Honestly a baby in a bar is annoying. It makes me think of my own kids, etc. I go out to a bar with my friends to be an adult.

I have no idea why anyone has a problem with an infant being in a quiet upscale wine bar. This isn't selfish millennials -- unless the baby starts crying. But from what I gather, these were some nice friends out with a quiet well behaved baby. Why would anyone at the bar have a problem with it? The baby isn't doing anything to offend anyone else, other than by virtue of being there. The other PPs are pissed just because they "think" it shouldn't happen. They should get over themselves, just like people who "thought" interracial dating and same-sex marriages were taboo should get over themselves. Yeah, a slightly more extreme example, but the analogy still sticks: That the activity isn't hurting anyone so why do they care?

I think it's great the friends were all able to connect, even though a baby can sometimes change the dynamic of friendships. When I had a baby, most of my girlfriends were (and continue to be) single and/or childless. I met moms through mom groups, and while I made a few friends in the groups, by and large I found these folks painfully boring and not people I would have been friends with in the absence of kids. I'm glad I've been able to stay tight with my childless friends, and that often means going to bars, hipster restaurants, urban backyards and other random places that you may not want to bring your friends. Some times other folks have kids there, which is great. But life goes on if it's just mom, dad and son.

Also - someone suggested that it was horrible to leave an infant bored like that without stimulation in a bar. But what about all you suburbanites who spend 2 hours a day in the car while your infants just stare at the backseat? That's so unstimulating. It's okay if infants spend some time not being stimulated and with their own thoughts. I suspect this woman spends less time at wine bars than your kids spend blankly in the carseat.

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Anonymous wrote:I think American parents would be a lot happier if it was NBD to bring your kid to a bar. This whole idea that motherhood automatically excludes you from having a life is very unhealthy.

That is ridiculous. Parents go to bars - they just don't bring their kids along. It's o.k. to have a grown up night out AWAY from the kids. Period.

Evidently parents do bring their kids along. It's just that you think they shouldn't.

And they are obnoxious, self centered and inconsiderate people. No doubt.

Yes, the world is full of obnoxious, self-centered, and inconsiderate people. You will encounter them at any public place you go to. If you don't want to encounter them, stay out of public places.

So I guess it's fine for me to bring my boyfriend along to a girls only baby shower? 'Cause, ya know, there are rude people everywhere....

Wouldn't bother me. Why are there girls only baby showers? This is DC, not Mayberry.

So I guess it's fine for your husband to bring his mom into the delivery room. Or better, yet, his brother?

What exactly are you doing in bars with your girlfriends that make this in any way an analogous situation?!

OK I have a feeling this was a classy wine bar instead of the honky tonk bar that pps are making it out to be. Who knows, maybe it was someone's birthday or the babysitter cancelled. As long as the baby didn't mind, I don't see the big deal. I have more of an issue with 5-7 year olds in bars. And last time I saw kids in a bar they were wearing pajamas!

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Anonymous wrote:I think American parents would be a lot happier if it was NBD to bring your kid to a bar. This whole idea that motherhood automatically excludes you from having a life is very unhealthy.

That is ridiculous. Parents go to bars - they just don't bring their kids along. It's o.k. to have a grown up night out AWAY from the kids. Period.

Evidently parents do bring their kids along. It's just that you think they shouldn't.

And they are obnoxious, self centered and inconsiderate people. No doubt.

Yes, the world is full of obnoxious, self-centered, and inconsiderate people. You will encounter them at any public place you go to. If you don't want to encounter them, stay out of public places.

So I guess it's fine for me to bring my boyfriend along to a girls only baby shower? 'Cause, ya know, there are rude people everywhere....

Wouldn't bother me. Why are there girls only baby showers? This is DC, not Mayberry.

So I guess it's fine for your husband to bring his mom into the delivery room. Or better, yet, his brother?

I think you're trying to come up with examples that are supposed to be particularly egregious, but they're just not. Some people really just aren't that uptight. Relax a little. Life is not all categorizing every single thing into appropriate or inappropriate, tacky or tasteful

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Huh? You seriously see no difference between museums, symphonies, theater productions, ballet, even race tracks......and taking an infant into a bar where grown ups are playing darts, drinking beer, hooking up, sucking face, dancing and otherwise having fun with other *grown ups*. Some adult fun is plain not meant for kids. I wouldn't take a baby to an X rated movie either.

Do you think that darts, beer, hooking up, public kissing, and dancing are bad influences on a baby? They will give the baby ideas?

Believe it or not it makes some people uncomfortable to do those things around little kids. That's why they hire sitters for their own kids....

Most people who feel uncomfortable about kids seeing them kiss are generally against PDA anyway. I doubt the people actually kissing in the bar care.