Anonymous
09/13/2023 22:46
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:Is there a trailer for the show?
SN: I've always thought J&J was such a ridiculously pretension way for Blacks to once again try desperately to mimic Whites.
That is ridiculous. Black culture is copied and mimic-ed in America and around the world, everything from language, style, dress, music, etc. Where do you think the word Karens came from? Where do you think woke came from? White people simply high jack words and don't even use it in proper form or context.
Big hair in the 70s and 80s started with Black people and then white people started sprucing up their hair to wear it big.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 22:28
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:Is there a trailer for the show?
SN: I've always thought J&J was such a ridiculously pretension way for Blacks to once again try desperately to mimic Whites.
Jack and Jill has nothing to do w whites or trying to act white. Get a grip. Black person who wouldn’t join such an organization but had friends who have.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 15:21
Subject: Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
I think Jack & Jill is a useful way for UMC black children who frequently live in all white environments to meet other people to socialize and not feel that lonely. My parents were approached about joining but declined. And sometimes I wonder if I would have had a more pleasant experience growing up if they had not done so.
But I think that some of the people in it can have a little bit of delusions of grandeur because the most prominent and successful black people in the past 10-15 years have not come from there. I was talking to an acquaintance who is really into it recently and she literally said that Justice Jackson surely must have kissed the J&J ring to get support for her appointment. Which…no. I know her very distantly through my husband is not the case. But I was flabbergasted that someone could actually think that a brilliant woman with a Harvard law degree, a scotus clerkship, and a very well connected husband to boot would need to seek out a mother’s organization to become the first block woman appointed to the Supreme Court.
But I think that some of the people in it can have a little bit of delusions of grandeur because the most prominent and successful black people in the past 10-15 years have not come from there. I was talking to an acquaintance who is really into it recently and she literally said that Justice Jackson surely must have kissed the J&J ring to get support for her appointment. Which…no. I know her very distantly through my husband is not the case. But I was flabbergasted that someone could actually think that a brilliant woman with a Harvard law degree, a scotus clerkship, and a very well connected husband to boot would need to seek out a mother’s organization to become the first block woman appointed to the Supreme Court.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 08:02
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:I was truly interested in my granddaughter joining this organization, but after reading the criteria of being wealthy and have to search out a sponsor to to even be considered, along with the way it seems like they feel some children are so much better than others the truest thing that has been said since I started researching this organization, it sounds extremely racism! It doesn’t seem like an all inclusive organization and it seems mor about money ! It’s what I’m afraid about what my granddaughter would be taught! I never would teach her she is better than anyone regardless! I am member of the Order of the Eastern Star, so I have an understanding of your values of a family member be it a mother, father or aunt or grandparent being a past or current member. But to each it’s own! There’d are other organizations that teach young ladies and boys the importance of doing the right thing. I truly hate I thought this would have benefited her. Good look it seem to have been around for decades. But so has others who don’t single out your children based off their financial parents situation. And financially we are able to pay, it’s what you stand for is truly a disgrace!
If you got your information from a different source, you may have a different perspective.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 08:01
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there a trailer for the show?
SN: I've always thought J&J was such a ridiculously pretension way for Blacks to once again try desperately to mimic Whites.
Really? What is the name of this white organization that Jack & Jill (founded in 1938) is trying to "mimic"? Please tell me all about the national organization, created by white mothers, to provide social, cultural and educational opportunities for their white children. Oh, that's right--such an organization doesn't exist. And mimic doesn't mean what you think it means.
You seem to believe that anytime AA do something to improve their lives, they must be trying to imitate white people. In your mind, they cannot possibly just have high standards. Please raise YOUR standards and free YOUR mind.
Whites didn't have to start an exclusive organization. It was simply called being a part of high society. White high society is what J&J continues to try to duplicate. Why else would you be so proud of your exclusivity and need to be invited to join.
Nope! Not offended by your attempted insults. You know nothing of me nor my accomplishments. I promise you they, my material possessions, and lifestyle run circles around you. Therefore, I have no need to wish to be a part of a members only group to give my children opportunities.
Why do you care so much??? I can honestly say my participation in Jack and Jill was one of my best childhood/teen experiences. Their programming and opportunities are unparalleled. I have so many fond memories of the teen conferences I attended and all of the wonderful friends I met from around the country. Until you are a part of J&J, you really have no idea how the organization strengthens and prepares children for college and the work world. But more importantly, it helps build self esteem and confidence, a crucial cornerstone for individual success. Honestly, if you ever get the chance to join, then take it - your kids will thank you later. As a black child raised in a predominantly white suburb, I know I am eternally grateful my mom put forth the time, money and effort so I could participate.
The reason the organization is exclusive is because generally, people like to socialize with people who they have things in common with. So J&J members tend to extend invitations to their friends who are similarly situated, which is usually very highly educated and/or successful people who are financially comfortable. This type of like minded socializing is not really unusual. I am surprised you are so offended by it. I really don't see the benefit of just letting any person in. I like the fact that a person has to be invited in because that means her sponsor really knows the member and is vouching for her in many ways, including that she shares the same values as the members; that she is professional and poised in her interactions with others and that she is able to afford all of the activities offered.
I have heard people say that J&J should do activities with inner city children/families or for the poor. The thing is J&J does do lots of charity work for the poor and children/families in the inner city; however, it is not a charitable organization. It is a mother's organization dedicated to providing wonderful opportunities and socialization for our children.
I think you should be proud that an organization like this exists, even if you are not a part of it. Also try and gain a little more insight before you post. Everything you have said so far is untrue, which is odd when information about the organization's purpose and history is so readily available. It almost sounds like you wanted to get in but could not. I know you say this is not true but you seem unusually interested in this thread, yet are proclaiming you have no interest in the organization.
NP. I think this is a well thought out response until the bit of bitter at the end.
Jack and Jill is a safe space for kids who are middle class, educated, and have a different view of life, where they can feel free to participate in a community that makes them feel that they belong and aren't judged for "acting white." There is so much stigma within the black community that I won't go into here, but which makes it harder not to feel sidelined if you're seen as different. Jack and Jill makes room for some of those children. I think some posters have got it turned around. You don't join Jack and Jill to become "elite," you are offered a space in a community that is already comprised of the "elite." You belong. They are folks at your level and able to normalize and de-stigmatize the lifestyle you lead.
As usual, people need to be reminded that a black institution operates in a different context than what may be perceived as their white counterparts. I think some posters need to think more about why there's a need for Jack and Jill outside of the (really arrogant) assumption that its purpose is to copy exclusive white clubs.
Anonymous
09/12/2023 15:46
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
I was truly interested in my granddaughter joining this organization, but after reading the criteria of being wealthy and have to search out a sponsor to to even be considered, along with the way it seems like they feel some children are so much better than others the truest thing that has been said since I started researching this organization, it sounds extremely racism! It doesn’t seem like an all inclusive organization and it seems mor about money ! It’s what I’m afraid about what my granddaughter would be taught! I never would teach her she is better than anyone regardless! I am member of the Order of the Eastern Star, so I have an understanding of your values of a family member be it a mother, father or aunt or grandparent being a past or current member. But to each it’s own! There’d are other organizations that teach young ladies and boys the importance of doing the right thing. I truly hate I thought this would have benefited her. Good look it seem to have been around for decades. But so has others who don’t single out your children based off their financial parents situation. And financially we are able to pay, it’s what you stand for is truly a disgrace!
Anonymous
08/10/2022 18:31
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only thing anyone can brag about is the exclusivity of the group. "You have to be INVITED to be one of us!" It's so childish it's sad. It also gets at some really sad deep rooted issues in the black community.
It is true that most people tend to gravitate towards those who are likeminded and similarly situated. That's human nature. The fact that I must be a part of an invites-only organization to do so is where the black pathology of inferiority and needing soooooo badly to be a part of comes in.
And please don't think for a second that the only way to interact with judges and other black professionals is by being a part of J&J. Most intellects and successful people don't need or want to be a part of that group in order to feel special. Our accomplishments speak for themselves. We interact and live around one another all day without having to be part of an outdated group borne out of a desire to emulate wealthy Whites.
You all sound so sadly insecure and childish with your "But you're not part of my group!" As if one would need to be in order to be successful. There are many more judges, doctors etc who are NOT a part of J&J than who are.
I can understand why you're bothered by Jack & Jill. It was never intended for poor and working class blacks to join, and those blacks bristle at the notion that they're not even welcome in a black organization. The hard truth is that everything isn't for everybody, and well-educated middle/upper middle/rich black people have a right to socialize with whomever they choose--even if it offends and excludes you. I grew up in Jack & Jill, and I'm now a mother in the organization. I have heard the "snobby" and "elistist" criticisms since I was a child, and it still amuses me. Some Jack & Jill members are snobby and elistist, and some are not--just like everyone else. Jack & Jill is almost 80 years old, and much to your chagrin, it's not going anywhere.
So are you saying that anyone with money can join? It’s a way to keep our poor people? It doesn’t seem to be just that. If that were the case, the group could just charge a high membership fee and for activities and people would self select.
Anonymous
08/10/2022 18:07
Subject: Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
I grew up in the Dallas chapter of Jack and Jill of America, Inc.
I was presented in the chapter’s first Beautillion. I loved attending the teen conferences every summer. It’s ridiculous to think that blacks should not have an upper class. Most of my friends today were members and we share a rich history. I learned early on not to discuss Jack and Jill with none members. I even had relatives who resented my membership. But one thing has always been true: there is never a shortage of families eager to join, to this day. Once those mothers get in, they don’t about who’s not in. And they rarely get out.
I was presented in the chapter’s first Beautillion. I loved attending the teen conferences every summer. It’s ridiculous to think that blacks should not have an upper class. Most of my friends today were members and we share a rich history. I learned early on not to discuss Jack and Jill with none members. I even had relatives who resented my membership. But one thing has always been true: there is never a shortage of families eager to join, to this day. Once those mothers get in, they don’t about who’s not in. And they rarely get out.
Anonymous
11/11/2015 22:47
Subject: Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Looks like Bravo announced today.
Anonymous
09/01/2015 15:39
Subject: Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why is politically correct to have an all black organization?
Life is a white run place. If people want to join a group with people who live and who can relate to their experience. How diverse are the organizations you belong to? Look around you and answer that honestly. How would it feel is everywhere you engaged--work, neighborhood where of a different race than you. It feels nice to be with others who are not asking this question that you ask--ignorantly.
NP. I spent most of life living in a place where most of the people I engaged with--work, neighborhood, school--where of a different race, and of a different religion. It never occurred to me to seek out a club of exclusively same race people.
I find the whole concept of J&J to be outdated at best, if not downright odd. Some of the comments about having the right "qualifications". What qualifications do you need?
SMH.
Anonymous
09/01/2015 15:24
Subject: Re:Jack and Jill of America under attack again...
Anonymous wrote:Pp here -- yeah, I just like watching people who seem like nice people visiting places around DC that I've visited. I'm kind of a boring person that way. And of course the DC RH was wonderful because we got to see the lead up to the Salahis crashing the White House.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Loved Stacie Turner! She seemed like a very nice, level-headed person -- which of course doesn't play well on the Real Housewives shows but who cares!Anonymous wrote:Omg why am I just hearing about this!!!! Lol
But Stacie turner from House wives of DC was a jack and Jill mom and she represented her self very well imo
Perhaps, but she (and her cast mates) bored me to tears. This new crop in Potomac/Bethesda/Rockville/Suburgatory promises to provide a lot more drama.
When does this show with local women begin?