Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 17:46     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maybe the gifted and talented programs in your city was like SEM. I grew up in NYC where gifted and talented programs were like AAP programs with advanced and accelerated academics and to get it, there are strict IQ cut offs even for K.


Yeah, and the NYC gifted programs are extremely controversial for their race/class disparities. And the fact that people pay tons of money to do test prep to get their kids into the programs.


Sounds like people REALLY want their kids in these programs unlike DCPS.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 17:41     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:I wish the District did start a gifted program like the kind that some poster want, if only to see the reactions of some of these parents when their kids don't test into it!


+1 - I was thinking the same exact thing!!!
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 14:05     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the District did start a gifted program like the kind that some poster want, if only to see the reactions of some of these parents when their kids don't test into it!


They'd just do what upper-income parents in NYC do: send their 4yos for test prep so that they make the cut-off. The result? "Gifted" programs that are bursting at the seams with above-average rich white kids.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/education/in-one-school-students-are-divided-by-gifted-label-and-race.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/nyregion/new-york-city-schools-struggle-to-separate-the-gifted-from-the-just-well-prepared.html?_r=0



so what do you suggest? No gifted programs and everyone moving to charters and/or MoCo and FCPS by middle school unless you are IB for Deal and Wilson like it is now.

The article suggests DCPS wants upper income parents who have their kids in preschool at DCPS to stay but their "enrichment" program isn't going to lure anyone to do so.


But actually DCPS IS luring them to stay...this is the first time that DCPS has had year-after-year enrollment growth for students in 50 years.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 14:04     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With better schools it would be even better/ higher prices


+1


Unfortunately, DC is getting there. Before long, the vast majority of poor people will be living in the DC suburbs. Buying a home in DC will be like buying a place in many other world capitals--very expensive and hard to come by. For example, in Paris, the wealthy live in Paris proper, and "the poors" live in the Parisian suburbs.


And that is a very troubling prospect.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 14:00     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Maybe the gifted and talented programs in your city was like SEM. I grew up in NYC where gifted and talented programs were like AAP programs with advanced and accelerated academics and to get it, there are strict IQ cut offs even for K.


Yeah, and the NYC gifted programs are extremely controversial for their race/class disparities. And the fact that people pay tons of money to do test prep to get their kids into the programs.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 12:59     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the District did start a gifted program like the kind that some poster want, if only to see the reactions of some of these parents when their kids don't test into it!


They'd just do what upper-income parents in NYC do: send their 4yos for test prep so that they make the cut-off. The result? "Gifted" programs that are bursting at the seams with above-average rich white kids.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/education/in-one-school-students-are-divided-by-gifted-label-and-race.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/nyregion/new-york-city-schools-struggle-to-separate-the-gifted-from-the-just-well-prepared.html?_r=0



so what do you suggest? No gifted programs and everyone moving to charters and/or MoCo and FCPS by middle school unless you are IB for Deal and Wilson like it is now.

The article suggests DCPS wants upper income parents who have their kids in preschool at DCPS to stay but their "enrichment" program isn't going to lure anyone to do so.


Public schools are not going to cater to the truly gifted. That's just too much to spend on a few kids.

As for the rich / well-prepared, no, I don't think we should create a separate track for them. I think the enrichment programs are appropriate. There are also several test-in high schools available in DCPS.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:42     Subject: Re:Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don't be too confident with DCPS. Seeing will be believing, and I hold little hope that they can ever get it right. DCPS is the biggest obstacle to economic development in this city.


Have you been asleep since 2000 or so? Do you live in Ward 8 and never leave the neighborhood?

Bad schools are mutually exclusive of DC economic development. Period.


PP is an obvious imbecile who doesn't understand econ dev and market forces. Good schools would transform this city so quickly you wouldn't have to throw money at developers to make projects work. So go ahead and continue to enjoy your crappy public school, and stop dissing on Ward 8.


NP here. There are several DC neighborhoods that have condos/homes that routinely sell for $1m or more (i.e., the U Street corridor), and the IB school is terrible. Where does that occur in suburban MD or DC? It seems like many sketchy DC neighborhoods (H Street anyone?) are being "transformed" without any help from their crappy IB schools.


Oops--I meant to type: "Where does that occur in suburban MD or VA?"
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:40     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With better schools it would be even better/ higher prices


+1


Unfortunately, DC is getting there. Before long, the vast majority of poor people will be living in the DC suburbs. Buying a home in DC will be like buying a place in many other world capitals--very expensive and hard to come by. For example, in Paris, the wealthy live in Paris proper, and "the poors" live in the Parisian suburbs.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:40     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the District did start a gifted program like the kind that some poster want, if only to see the reactions of some of these parents when their kids don't test into it!


They'd just do what upper-income parents in NYC do: send their 4yos for test prep so that they make the cut-off. The result? "Gifted" programs that are bursting at the seams with above-average rich white kids.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/education/in-one-school-students-are-divided-by-gifted-label-and-race.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/nyregion/new-york-city-schools-struggle-to-separate-the-gifted-from-the-just-well-prepared.html?_r=0



so what do you suggest? No gifted programs and everyone moving to charters and/or MoCo and FCPS by middle school unless you are IB for Deal and Wilson like it is now.

The article suggests DCPS wants upper income parents who have their kids in preschool at DCPS to stay but their "enrichment" program isn't going to lure anyone to do so.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:36     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:With better schools it would be even better/ higher prices


Doubtful. Being in Ward 6 with crappy schools and near housing projects haven't hurt prices:

http://www.citycenterdc.com/


It's all about location, location, location. Everything else including quality of public schools is secondary.


or Noma

http://www.nomabid.org/living/

The land of the 1/2 mil+ 1 bdrm condos.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:36     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:I wish the District did start a gifted program like the kind that some poster want, if only to see the reactions of some of these parents when their kids don't test into it!


They'd just do what upper-income parents in NYC do: send their 4yos for test prep so that they make the cut-off. The result? "Gifted" programs that are bursting at the seams with above-average rich white kids.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/education/in-one-school-students-are-divided-by-gifted-label-and-race.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/nyregion/new-york-city-schools-struggle-to-separate-the-gifted-from-the-just-well-prepared.html?_r=0

Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:30     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:With better schools it would be even better/ higher prices


+1
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 11:29     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:With better schools it would be even better/ higher prices


Doubtful. Being in Ward 6 with crappy schools and near housing projects haven't hurt prices:

http://www.citycenterdc.com/


It's all about location, location, location. Everything else including quality of public schools is secondary.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 10:16     Subject: Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
With better schools it would be even better/ higher prices
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2015 09:24     Subject: Re:Post article about gifted/enrichment programs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Don't be too confident with DCPS. Seeing will be believing, and I hold little hope that they can ever get it right. DCPS is the biggest obstacle to economic development in this city.


Have you been asleep since 2000 or so? Do you live in Ward 8 and never leave the neighborhood?

Bad schools are mutually exclusive of DC economic development. Period.


PP is an obvious imbecile who doesn't understand econ dev and market forces. Good schools would transform this city so quickly you wouldn't have to throw money at developers to make projects work. So go ahead and continue to enjoy your crappy public school, and stop dissing on Ward 8.


NP here. There are several DC neighborhoods that have condos/homes that routinely sell for $1m or more (i.e., the U Street corridor), and the IB school is terrible. Where does that occur in suburban MD or DC? It seems like many sketchy DC neighborhoods (H Street anyone?) are being "transformed" without any help from their crappy IB schools.