Anonymous
04/08/2015 15:13
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For Pete's sake...Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The swimming thing is stupid, but the rest? Great idea. Let's enact it everywhere.
The casino thing is the most concerning. Casino's are a huge employer of entry level/minimum wage employees. They hire many many people who are transitioning from TANF to employment. Making it impossible for those people to withdraw money for bus fare home, or buy a meal if they've been offered an extra shift, is a perfect example of conservative posturing at the expense of people's employment.
What? It makes sense.
And don't forget the harm to the poor casino owner. Some casino owners have gone out of business; it isn't easy work owning your own casino.
And they provide a service that is legal in many states.
Plus many are on Native American land - meaning most of the workers are people of color that are going to get hurt by this!
Fine. The workers can plan in advance and use their own hard-earned money to pay for bus fare or meals.
Using tax-payer funded money at a casino is ridiculous.
Prostitutes are legal in Vegas - do you want these people using their cards to pay for prostitutes on the tax payer’s dime?
Just because it is “legal” doesn’t mean we need to foot the bill for it.
Since when do prostitutes take EBT cards??
I don’t know that they do. But, if pp is going to condone the use of EBT cards at gambling casinos because gambling is legal, let’s take it a step further.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 15:10
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Someone please explain to me why if someone chooses not to work because its a free country and they cannot pay for basic necessities because it is their choice not to work that I then have to be FORCED to pay for them to get a tattoo?
I'm a stupid republican after all, I need it spelled out for me.
An independent here (since everyone feels that they have to list their affiliation), I think you have posed the question in an inflammatory way the begs for an argument.
I think the more relevant question is whether and what type of restrictions should be placed on the use of these funds. One school of thought is that if a person gets a set amount per month, how they spend it is up to them as long as they understand that they cannot get more until next month. The other school of thought is that those funds should be restricted and certain uses should be prohibited.
I certainly see both sides. I guess I fall in the middle.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 14:20
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Someone please explain to me why if someone chooses not to work because its a free country and they cannot pay for basic necessities because it is their choice not to work that I then have to be FORCED to pay for them to get a tattoo?
I'm a stupid republican after all, I need it spelled out for me.
I'm a stupid republican after all, I need it spelled out for me.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 14:10
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Agree. It is not slavery. They can choose to participate in the work portion or not. "Payment" depends upon work just like the rest of us. Are we all slaves?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I actually love the volunteering requirement. I drive through a bona fide ghetto twice a day. Those streets could use some sweeping, I kid you not. The sweeping could be done by multiple able-bodied men doing nothing other than smoking on their porches in the middle of the day.
. . rather than wasting resources on scum.[/quote
You do realize that what you are talking about is essentially slavery, right?
No, it's paid labor. It's called having a job. Novel concept, but you should familiarize yourself with it.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 13:57
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I actually love the volunteering requirement. I drive through a bona fide ghetto twice a day. Those streets could use some sweeping, I kid you not. The sweeping could be done by multiple able-bodied men doing nothing other than smoking on their porches in the middle of the day.
. . rather than wasting resources on scum.[/quote
You do realize that what you are talking about is essentially slavery, right?
No, it's paid labor. It's called having a job. Novel concept, but you should familiarize yourself with it.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 13:54
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:I actually love the volunteering requirement. I drive through a bona fide ghetto twice a day. Those streets could use some sweeping, I kid you not. The sweeping could be done by multiple able-bodied men doing nothing other than smoking on their porches in the middle of the day.
. . rather than wasting resources on scum.[/quote
You do realize that what you are talking about is essentially slavery, right?
Anonymous
04/08/2015 13:26
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
I actually love the volunteering requirement. I drive through a bona fide ghetto twice a day. Those streets could use some sweeping, I kid you not. The sweeping could be done by multiple able-bodied men doing nothing other than smoking on their porches in the middle of the day.
I really hate that the working poor in our country can barely scrape by. I see some folks in construction gear at 5:15 on the bus stop, hotel maids walking to jobs etc. We need to be helping these people rather than wasting resources on scum.
I really hate that the working poor in our country can barely scrape by. I see some folks in construction gear at 5:15 on the bus stop, hotel maids walking to jobs etc. We need to be helping these people rather than wasting resources on scum.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 13:11
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:12,000 non-disabled adults were in Maine’s SNAP program before Jan. 1 - a number that dropped to 2,680 by the end of March.
More than 9,000 Maine residents have been removed from the state's food stamp program since Republican Gov. Paul LePage's administration began enforcing work and volunteer requirements.
The new rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months - unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements. DHHS Commissioner Mary Mayhew said the goal of the requirements is to encourage people to find work.
OH MY GOD ! Forcing people to work ! How dare they ! Those mean people !
So...you try to justify KS shit show by using Maine's reasonable approach? Last I checked they were different states. LOL
Anonymous
04/08/2015 13:09
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How are they going to enforce this?
Seems like four pages of posters missed this point.
This is completely unenforceable. This is nothing more than class warfare on the poor, Ronald Reagan's Cadillac driving Welfare Queen (who didn't actually exist) all over again.
Kansas GOP is driving that state into the ground fiscally...pay no attention, let's scapegoat the poors.
Are you 100% sure? Because I have a friend who works for Social Services, and she sees plenty of those (I assume the Cadillac part doesn't have to be taken literally.)
In DC, TANF pays $428 a month for a family of three. You do the math. Not many Cadillac payments are going to come from that check.
If someone is committing fraud, that is a different story.
+1. That is an old wives' tale. I used to work in social services and most of my clients did not even own cars.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 12:48
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:12,000 non-disabled adults were in Maine’s SNAP program before Jan. 1 - a number that dropped to 2,680 by the end of March.
More than 9,000 Maine residents have been removed from the state's food stamp program since Republican Gov. Paul LePage's administration began enforcing work and volunteer requirements.
The new rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months - unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements. DHHS Commissioner Mary Mayhew said the goal of the requirements is to encourage people to find work.
OH MY GOD ! Forcing people to work ! How dare they ! Those mean people !
Please note that there is no connection between this program in Maine, which seems reasonable, and the nonsense in KS, which is little more than a political stunt.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 12:44
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For Pete's sake...Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The swimming thing is stupid, but the rest? Great idea. Let's enact it everywhere.
The casino thing is the most concerning. Casino's are a huge employer of entry level/minimum wage employees. They hire many many people who are transitioning from TANF to employment. Making it impossible for those people to withdraw money for bus fare home, or buy a meal if they've been offered an extra shift, is a perfect example of conservative posturing at the expense of people's employment.
What? It makes sense.
And don't forget the harm to the poor casino owner. Some casino owners have gone out of business; it isn't easy work owning your own casino.
And they provide a service that is legal in many states.
Plus many are on Native American land - meaning most of the workers are people of color that are going to get hurt by this!
Fine. The workers can plan in advance and use their own hard-earned money to pay for bus fare or meals.
Using tax-payer funded money at a casino is ridiculous.
Prostitutes are legal in Vegas - do you want these people using their cards to pay for prostitutes on the tax payer’s dime?
Just because it is “legal” doesn’t mean we need to foot the bill for it.
Since when do prostitutes take EBT cards??
Anonymous
04/08/2015 12:30
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
12,000 non-disabled adults were in Maine’s SNAP program before Jan. 1 - a number that dropped to 2,680 by the end of March.
More than 9,000 Maine residents have been removed from the state's food stamp program since Republican Gov. Paul LePage's administration began enforcing work and volunteer requirements.
The new rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months - unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements. DHHS Commissioner Mary Mayhew said the goal of the requirements is to encourage people to find work.
OH MY GOD ! Forcing people to work ! How dare they ! Those mean people !
More than 9,000 Maine residents have been removed from the state's food stamp program since Republican Gov. Paul LePage's administration began enforcing work and volunteer requirements.
The new rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months - unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements. DHHS Commissioner Mary Mayhew said the goal of the requirements is to encourage people to find work.
OH MY GOD ! Forcing people to work ! How dare they ! Those mean people !
Anonymous
04/08/2015 11:30
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Of course, they have those rights. They simply can't use taxpayer funds to pay for those "fun" items. We have a moral obligation to provide basic needs--tattoos, movies and casinos are not needs.Regular folks are allowed to get tattoos, take the family to the movies, and maybe have a little fun once in a while at the casino; why shouldn't people from lesser-resources communities have the same rights?[b
Anonymous
04/08/2015 10:50
Subject: Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How are they going to enforce this?
Seems like four pages of posters missed this point.
This is completely unenforceable. This is nothing more than class warfare on the poor, Ronald Reagan's Cadillac driving Welfare Queen (who didn't actually exist) all over again.
Kansas GOP is driving that state into the ground fiscally...pay no attention, let's scapegoat the poors.
Are you 100% sure? Because I have a friend who works for Social Services, and she sees plenty of those (I assume the Cadillac part doesn't have to be taken literally.)
In DC, TANF pays $428 a month for a family of three. You do the math. Not many Cadillac payments are going to come from that check.
If someone is committing fraud, that is a different story.
Anonymous
04/08/2015 10:27
Subject: Re:Mean spirited welfare reform in Kansas targeting tattoos, massages, and gambling
Anonymous wrote:Kansas Budget Constraints Are Stifling Transportation Funds
God forbid Sally takes her kids to see Frozen.
God forbid she doesn't. It is so educational after all.