Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 12:55     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

OP, what ARE his good qualities? They'd have to be pretty damn amazing to out-weigh what you've posted here. That's very telling that you couldn't even be open to your counselor about how your DH really is. He seems to really have you right where he wants you =(
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 11:46     Subject: Re:Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:My husband used to shave my legs for me when I was pregnant. He also went out of his way to not only carry any bags I might have but pack those bags with me after the kids came along.

Your husband is a straight up asshole.



I completely agree. Mine even held my head and patted me during the morning cookie toss. You seriously need counseling. (not, you, but you as a couple). If I had seen this happen in a parking lot I would have come over and helped you thus making a point to DH.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 11:40     Subject: Re:Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:He sounds like an asshole.


Yeah. If he was never a gentleman, what makes you think he will start now? Sorry OP.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 11:24     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:Just another internet stranger chiming in to say that I'm sorry for you OP. The internet (and DCUM) is not normally a kind place -- but the responses that you're getting on this thread are telling. I wish I could give you a hug and a way out

All of the examples you've given are not examples of cluelessness, but they are examples of punishment and spite. It is like your husband hates you (or women?). Helping each other is what humans -- and especially spouses -- do.

Honestly, the car seat story didn't get me as much as the story of your boots and then your follow up reference to driving yourself to the hospital (WTF?!?!) and carrying your own bag while in labor. Even a stranger would help you with these things ...


This. Strangers are kinder to others than your husband is to you. When I was pregnant, total strangers offered me seats and helped me carry heavy things. Your husband is not clueless, he is mean and selfish. I don't care if there is "positive"; for me, it would not outweigh the fact that the person who supposedly promised to love me treats me poorly on purpose.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 11:22     Subject: Re:Vent: clueless dh

Get rid of him. And get help for yourself.

My DH can be totally clueless and go barreling ahead in a crowd when I'm with the kids, but it's always out of lack of awareness or absentmindedness. He will always carry more than his fair share of stuff, always help me when I need it. And there are plenty of guys like him. Find one!
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 11:11     Subject: Re:Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:Op here. Reading this is truly depressing me. It doesn't help that we've barely spent any time together alone since our second was born.

To answer some questions:
I married him because I fell for him. And early on, I decided he was the one.
He is actually good with the kids and helps out a lot with our older child.
Yes, I do think he thinks the baby is more my domain. Hence I carry the baby and diaper bag most of the time.
No, he's not from a culture that doesn't help wives and with kids. But he comes from a family where that was the situation. And so did I.

He's selfish. It's something we've always fought about. I draw the line at calling him an asshole, but yes, he's very selfish. He's actually much better now with that then he was when I first met him. I paid the bill on our first date. He kept procrastinating on proposing to me, so finally I proposed, he said, uh sure. He always steals food right out of my hand as I'm eating. He suggested I drive myself into the hospital when I went into labor, so he didn't have to come pick me up. I said, no, you need to pick me up. I carried my overnight bag into the hospital when I was in labor, with both kids. He even stuffed some of his own things into my bag and let me carry it. The first time I was in the hospital bed, in labor and dilated, he told me he was going to go out and get some stuff done. I said, you are not going ANYWHERE.

He claims he doesn't do conventional things for me like open doors, carry groceries in, etc, because it reinforces the idea that women are less capable than men. And he doesn't want to send that message to his daughter. He hates all conventional girl things, like fashion, makeup, anything pink, because he thinks these things serve to make women stupid and weak. So he's not your typical asshole. He's something else entirely, but still completely infuriating.

How have I coped? Most times I live in this fantasy in my head, that I am single. So that I expect nothing from him, and if he does do something for me, it is a pleasant surprise. A bonus. Because the alternative would be that we would fight every single day and I'd be angry all the time. And he fights dirty. If he feels attacked or criticized, his response is to hurt me as deeply as possible. So... We rarely fight. Yes, I know it's completely dysfunctional. But it's where we're at. Also I think of that book "a thousand splendid suns" (abusive husband) and I am able to feel grateful for what I have.



OMG. You need to print this out and see a counselor, OP. This is terrible! And he sounds like a sociopath.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 11:06     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:OP. you sound like you could benefit from counseling. You made a bad decision marrying this man. Divorce is not the solution (yet) because he will continue to treat you this way, set a bad example for the kids and worst of all you will pick another one just like him.
Funny when i read your post it reminded me a little bit of a thousand splendid suns! Your husband does not cherish you, he is unkind to you and seems to resent you. My ex husband was like this, so I understand the dynamic and the coping. Maybe i am projecting because of my own experience - but i cannot help it, it is so hard to hear of someone else living this way. A few counseling sessions and a long period of self-reflection helped me realize how I got where i was. Now i am with a man who adores me and I am hooked on a healthy, functional relationship but it has been a very long road. Please Op, go back and retrace your steps - why was this man attractive to you in the first place? Do you feel you don't deserve to be cherished? Why? Please find a counselor to help you through this. The idea of you spending your life with this man is depressing to strangers on the Internet - doesn't that tell you something?!


Print out what you've told us here and take it to your therapist.

Please. For your sake, for the sake of your children. This is not how they should see family life. Better divorce than this.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 10:31     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

I'm glad we could help you reframe your understanding of your husband, OP. You have a tough road ahead. Start by going back to that therapist and being honest about who your husband is, and getting help to figure out what you want to do about it.

If it were me, I would get strength by looking at my kids and thinking of what they are learning about relationships from watching him abuse you and you accept it. That's where the therapy, to change this pattern in yourself, comes in. It's not too late. Good luck.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 10:22     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

OP, what is your financial situation? Can you afford to leave?
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 09:35     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

" A bad precedent....??!!" Are you serious??

God...And I thought I had heard it all.

What a thoughtless, inconsiderate and lazy clueless jerk!

I would rather be alone and single for life than committed to a rat like that.

Good riddance....
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 09:26     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

Oh, God OP. You are already a single mother. This is abusive. This is a horrific way to treat anyone, even a friend. You might as well get a divorce. You do not owe this man anything and your life will dramatically improve when it comes turning that fantasy (single woman) into a reality.

Look into your finances (I hope to God you are working) and make a decision. He's not going to change, OP. He is happy with the ways things are. You are the unhappy one. You need to change and the easiest way to do that is to get divorced, co-parent (since he seems like a fine, but selfish dad), and move on with your life. Your kids are small. They will be fine. I rarely tell people to just DMFA but this is the exact situation that acronym was created.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 08:58     Subject: Re:Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:Op here. Reading this is truly depressing me. It doesn't help that we've barely spent any time together alone since our second was born.

To answer some questions:
I married him because I fell for him. And early on, I decided he was the one.
He is actually good with the kids and helps out a lot with our older child.
Yes, I do think he thinks the baby is more my domain. Hence I carry the baby and diaper bag most of the time.
No, he's not from a culture that doesn't help wives and with kids. But he comes from a family where that was the situation. And so did I.

He's selfish. It's something we've always fought about. I draw the line at calling him an asshole, but yes, he's very selfish. He's actually much better now with that then he was when I first met him. I paid the bill on our first date. He kept procrastinating on proposing to me, so finally I proposed, he said, uh sure. He always steals food right out of my hand as I'm eating. He suggested I drive myself into the hospital when I went into labor, so he didn't have to come pick me up. I said, no, you need to pick me up. I carried my overnight bag into the hospital when I was in labor, with both kids. He even stuffed some of his own things into my bag and let me carry it. The first time I was in the hospital bed, in labor and dilated, he told me he was going to go out and get some stuff done. I said, you are not going ANYWHERE.

He claims he doesn't do conventional things for me like open doors, carry groceries in, etc, because it reinforces the idea that women are less capable than men. And he doesn't want to send that message to his daughter. He hates all conventional girl things, like fashion, makeup, anything pink, because he thinks these things serve to make women stupid and weak. So he's not your typical asshole. He's something else entirely, but still completely infuriating.

How have I coped? Most times I live in this fantasy in my head, that I am single. So that I expect nothing from him, and if he does do something for me, it is a pleasant surprise. A bonus. Because the alternative would be that we would fight every single day and I'd be angry all the time. And he fights dirty. If he feels attacked or criticized, his response is to hurt me as deeply as possible. So... We rarely fight. Yes, I know it's completely dysfunctional. But it's where we're at. Also I think of that book "a thousand splendid suns" (abusive husband) and I am able to feel grateful for what I have.


All spouses have done something horrible to each other. We're human and it happens. But what happens next is more important. Did he apologize? Did you have a conversation about how this made you feel? You are talking about stuff that sounds years in the past. You haven't moved past it as a couple and you haven't forgiven him. Like it or not, you have some issues. A counselor would help greatly.

BTW you don't have to be thankful just because you aren't being abused. That's crazy shit.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 08:58     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

OP, tell your therapist what you told us. Get a sounding board you trust. See what the reaction is.

((hugs))
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 08:55     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

Anonymous wrote:Just another internet stranger chiming in to say that I'm sorry for you OP. The internet (and DCUM) is not normally a kind place -- but the responses that you're getting on this thread are telling. I wish I could give you a hug and a way out

All of the examples you've given are not examples of cluelessness, but they are examples of punishment and spite. It is like your husband hates you (or women?). Helping each other is what humans -- and especially spouses -- do.

Honestly, the car seat story didn't get me as much as the story of your boots and then your follow up reference to driving yourself to the hospital (WTF?!?!) and carrying your own bag while in labor. Even a stranger would help you with these things ...


And the taking food right out of her hand. I agree, the follow up post was much worse. Carrying the baby and diaper bag wasn't what caused alarm for me.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2015 08:48     Subject: Vent: clueless dh

OP giant hugs to you. I'm so sorry you are in this situation. But honestly, you are being abused emotionally. And I know because I've been there.

And you aren't a bad person for getting into this situation. People like your husband are master manipulators. They start out slow and ramp it up, like a frog being boiled...the water is nice and cool at first.

I learned that in my case, the reason I fell so hard for my ex is that he fit a pattern I was used to. My mom is a mild Narcissist, so it felt normal to be the sub of a Narc. Sadly my ex took it to the next step and physically abused ne too.

Get therapy ASAP!