Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:55
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?
You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.
-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS
If a family has the paperwork to verify, than what can really be done? They had to show something to be able to enroll. I am sure that they will show the same when questioned about residency.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:47
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hate to burst the PG Countians bubble, but a DC license is not the proof my HRCS requires. I presented my DC license and filled out the OSSE affidavit and I was later called to bring in very specific proof. In case I was an outlier I won't say what it was. Cheaters get nifty with fraud when in a pinch, so I won't help them out there. Anyways, long story short, I provided the very specific item (because I am a legit resident) and all was well. The item they requested would be hard to forge, so if this happens to you and your a cheater, your ass is grass. Perhaps my charter is more diligent than others, but this may be happening at others because people are fed up with cheaters and cracking down.
Let me guess... you live in a house owned by your employer therefore you have no proof of residency other than a written affidavit.
Not even close! I own my home in DC and live there. The school asked for a very specific document, which I didn't know was something they would ask for. It was a bit tricky to get it, but I got it and case was closed. The particular doc is something that they can look into further if they want and question others who have no reason to protect me. In my case, the others would verify that I'm legit. But, if someone's faking they would be outed. For example (and this is not what the school asked for), it would be like the school calling DC WASA and asking the random person who answers the phone there if I truly lived at the address I gave. Anyways, in this scenario the cheater won't win.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:42
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:My friend lives half time in the Hamptons and half time in the west village. Is she a residence cheat too? Oh wait, no. She's rich.
I just truly do not understand the mindset that could loom at a small child, with a family dedicated enough to drive them to school every day (possibly from far away), and then try and have them kicked out, based on some partial information about their personal life that you do not know.
You can't be a very happy person. Even with your child in the jklm. This we know.
But why not send in the info and allow the authorities to investigate? The more people you let get away with it, the fewer spots there are for legitimate, tax-paying families.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:37
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Hate to burst the PG Countians bubble, but a DC license is not the proof my HRCS requires. I presented my DC license and filled out the OSSE affidavit and I was later called to bring in very specific proof. In case I was an outlier I won't say what it was. Cheaters get nifty with fraud when in a pinch, so I won't help them out there. Anyways, long story short, I provided the very specific item (because I am a legit resident) and all was well. The item they requested would be hard to forge, so if this happens to you and your a cheater, your ass is grass. Perhaps my charter is more diligent than others, but this may be happening at others because people are fed up with cheaters and cracking down.
Let me guess... you live in a house owned by your employer therefore you have no proof of residency other than a written affidavit.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:35
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:We're moving out of DC for the last two months of the school year, but we want to keep DS in his DC school to finish out the year instead of being "new kid" for the last seven weeks. What does DCUM say?
I say your children shouldn't be punished for a family decision and the amount of disruption is not a good reason for someone to go after you.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:30
Subject: residency cheater
We're moving out of DC for the last two months of the school year, but we want to keep DS in his DC school to finish out the year instead of being "new kid" for the last seven weeks. What does DCUM say?
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:13
Subject: residency cheater
Hate to burst the PG Countians bubble, but a DC license is not the proof my HRCS requires. I presented my DC license and filled out the OSSE affidavit and I was later called to bring in very specific proof. In case I was an outlier I won't say what it was. Cheaters get nifty with fraud when in a pinch, so I won't help them out there. Anyways, long story short, I provided the very specific item (because I am a legit resident) and all was well. The item they requested would be hard to forge, so if this happens to you and your a cheater, your ass is grass. Perhaps my charter is more diligent than others, but this may be happening at others because people are fed up with cheaters and cracking down.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:08
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?
You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.
-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS
Don't take the bait. Please.
14:10 here. Forgot to add that we are able to prove DC residency. We aren't crazies who just played the lottery with a made-up address.
You can't prove DC residency without violating DC law in the event you are actually a resident of PG County. You can be a resident of two different jurisdictions supimultaneously. You may not consider your self a crazy, but you are nevertheless a thief engaging in an act of criminal fraud.
I'm not either of these PPs, but re: teh bolded language above -- which I think the PP meant to say "You CAN'T be a resident of two different jurisdictions....". Not to play devil's advocate, but.... there is not a single place in the DC education law (direclty or by reference) that defines "resident" for these purpuses. If you start to look at the definition of "resident" for other legal purposes, there are actually a ton of laws under which you can be a resident of two places at once. For example, federal US tax law defines resident to include any US citizen. Regardless of whether you live in the US. So you can have been born here and lived in Canada your whole life, and you clearly and untestedly fall within the definition of "resident" for US tax law.
Therefore, when a law is intended to apply to only one place of residence, you wlil generally see terms like "primary residence" or "closest connection". So, to use the above example, US tax treaties with other countries always talk about residence as the place you have a closer connection with - so you don't get double-taxed by both countries. The DC education laws make no reference to "primary residence" or anything simliar. Just residence. So actually, if you took it to court on the basis that you had two residences (even if you didn't really live in the DC residence), i think you'd probably win.
I don't know if PP with the DC/MD address has a legitimate residence in DC, but assuming they keep two properties, but happen to sleep most of the time in MD, I think by law they would be entitled to DC schools.
Winner! Actually Mitt Romney had two or three residences. He lived in Utah but ran for governor of Massachusetts.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:06
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Our school does home checks by the principle to prove residency.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:05
Subject: residency cheater
I have no dog in this fight, but I don't understand why people are so against OP reporting someone. I get the "MYOB" line of thought, but it's not like she is calling CPS. I send my kid to DCPS and proving residency is pretty easy. If someone questioned my kids, it would be very simple to prove their right to attend.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:05
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here.
I know the PG county (yes, it's PG) address and phone number for this family (via simple google search). I know they don't live in the DC house because I am friends with the people who own the house!
It appears these cheaters picked an address out of the phone book and it worked (so far).
I will keep emailing and calling until this is resolved.
I hate this kind of deception.
For starters, google can also show previous addresses and phone numbers. If I google myself, it'll say I live in Germantown, MD with an old house number. I haven't lived there in years. Secondly, it sure is a crazy coincidence that the address they just so happened to randomly pick out of the phone book was the phone that your friend's own. Let's explore further.
1) Are you sure these people aren't renting the house, with your "friends" as landlords?
2) Why did you google the family in the first place? What gave you the initial suspicion?
3) How in hell could this family possibly prove residency at a house that they have NO connection with? It's not like they're using their mom's address or their auntie's address. That makes no sense.
NP. This part is quite easy. Too easy. Never understood why a pay stub was a required document.
For me its a simple as:
1) log on to HR system at work
2) click change personal information
3) change address to 4130 Albermarle St NW
4) wait until my payday Friday and print pay stub with new address. Badda bing!
A person that has does that (especially with high IB population) has a lot of balls. And it's very likely if it's a neighborhood school, OP would know the owner of this random address. I have only lived in my small neighbhood 3 years and know about 2 people on every 10 house block.
But how did
OP know that the student used this particular address? Surely the person did not share that information. And, the school certainly did not disseminate students' home addressesr.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 18:02
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?
You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.
-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS
PP, tell us. How do you plan to prove residency and enroll by the deadline?
I have the necessary documents (DC driver's license and registration) for residency proof with my name and the DC address on them. And yes, I am the parent of the child enrolling. Not an aunt or cousin.
That's only good for two years. What will you do after registration expires? Is this an old address? For some reason, I just think you are a shit stirrer in this thread.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 17:40
Subject: residency cheater
I would hazard to say that the people suggesting shutting down this thread and MYOB are the cheaters or people who plan to cheat. The law is clear on what constitutes fraud in this situation and there are people who are in DC, but not able to lottery into a good school today that will support turning people who are outside DC and ending up with a spot they are not entitled too. Good luck OP on getting this resolved. In the past I did the same thing and the child did not return the next year. There was a child that left my child's school recently to attend a school closer to home (perhaps not a DC resident) and when a new kid came in to school they entered that classroom.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 17:02
Subject: residency cheater
Please report back once the egg is thrown in your face.
Anonymous
03/27/2015 16:55
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:My friend lives half time in the Hamptons and half time in the west village. Is she a residence cheat too? Oh wait, no. She's rich.
I just truly do not understand the mindset that could loom at a small child, with a family dedicated enough to drive them to school every day (possibly from far away), and then try and have them kicked out, based on some partial information about their personal life that you do not know.
You can't be a very happy person. Even with your child in the jklm. This we know.
Well, I can't really understand how parents can commit fraud and expect their little children to lie about where they live in order to save some money. But people do it.