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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is, where are the public statements, the talking heads of the so-called moderate Muslim world, the leaders of the Muslim groups here in the US? Where are they in condemning this, even as public relations statement?

What i want to know is why does this question come up in every single thread on this sort of topic? Muslims have made any number of public statements. The top Egyptian cleric actually called for the crucifixion of IS members. King Abdullah II promised "endless war". Even the leader of Hizbollah criticized the group. Go here and look at these condemnations:

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/american-muslim-organizations-condemn-isis-murder-of-journalist-james-foley/0020275

I am sorry that the news sources you follow don't think these condemnations are worth informing you about. Maybe you should look into other news sources?

Yes the top Egyptian cleric. Glad to hear it. I want to hear from just one Muslim leader in this country.

As I said, re-evaluate your news sources. Here is one:

http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2015/02/universal-brotherhood/the-muslim-times-strongly-condemns-killing-of-innocent-coptic-christians-by-isis

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is, where are the public statements, the talking heads of the so-called moderate Muslim world, the leaders of the Muslim groups here in the US? Where are they in condemning this, even as public relations statement?

What i want to know is why does this question come up in every single thread on this sort of topic? Muslims have made any number of public statements. The top Egyptian cleric actually called for the crucifixion of IS members. King Abdullah II promised "endless war". Even the leader of Hizbollah criticized the group. Go here and look at these condemnations:

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/american-muslim-organizations-condemn-isis-murder-of-journalist-james-foley/0020275

I am sorry that the news sources you follow don't think these condemnations are worth informing you about. Maybe you should look into other news sources?

Yes the top Egyptian cleric. Glad to hear it. I want to hear from just one Muslim leader in this country.

I guess they are too busy manufacturing a crisis in North Carolina.

Egypt should roll over Libya.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is, where are the public statements, the talking heads of the so-called moderate Muslim world, the leaders of the Muslim groups here in the US? Where are they in condemning this, even as public relations statement?

What i want to know is why does this question come up in every single thread on this sort of topic? Muslims have made any number of public statements. The top Egyptian cleric actually called for the crucifixion of IS members. King Abdullah II promised "endless war". Even the leader of Hizbollah criticized the group. Go here and look at these condemnations:

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/american-muslim-organizations-condemn-isis-murder-of-journalist-james-foley/0020275

I am sorry that the news sources you follow don't think these condemnations are worth informing you about. Maybe you should look into other news sources?

Yes the top Egyptian cleric. Glad to hear it. I want to hear from just one Muslim leader in this country.

FWIW, the action of Egypt speaks much louder than words.

Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is, where are the public statements, the talking heads of the so-called moderate Muslim world, the leaders of the Muslim groups here in the US? Where are they in condemning this, even as public relations statement?

What i want to know is why does this question come up in every single thread on this sort of topic? Muslims have made any number of public statements. The top Egyptian cleric actually called for the crucifixion of IS members. King Abdullah II promised "endless war". Even the leader of Hizbollah criticized the group. Go here and look at these condemnations:

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/american-muslim-organizations-condemn-isis-murder-of-journalist-james-foley/0020275

I am sorry that the news sources you follow don't think these condemnations are worth informing you about. Maybe you should look into other news sources?

What I want to know is, where are the public statements, the talking heads of the so-called moderate Muslim world, the leaders of the Muslim groups here in the US? Where are they in condemning this, even as public relations statement?

I agree irs looking to be their fight. The idea the response has been robust is laughable. Isis worst move is probably involving Egypt. Now we may see more of a response.

Anonymous wrote:They turned and ran. Obama's army that we left manned up. Maybe now they are paying attention..its hardly been a robust or unified response.

The Syrian forces, Kurdish peshmerga, Iranian forces, and Hizbollah have all had some success. Not all of the Iraqi forces ran away.

They turned and ran. Obama's army that we left manned up. Maybe now they are paying attention..its hardly been a robust or unified response.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, let's stop insulting muslims and pretending that they are not objecting to ISIS. They are putting more lives at risk to defeat them than we are.

Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Wow, the previous poster's statement is not the least bit disputable. If you think it is laughable, you are woefully misinformed.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, let's stop insulting muslims and pretending that they are not objecting to ISIS. They are putting more lives at risk to defeat them than we are.

Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Peaceful religion

As I have said before, the communists used to talk about "sharpening the contradictions" and creating a situation in which people were forced to choose sides. IS is following the same strategy. Read this article about the latest issue of the group's magazine:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/12/new-islamic-state-magazines-brags-eliminating-grayzone/

They are hoping for a "war of civilizations" so that Muslims in the West will be forced to make "one of two choices".

The more people like you react in the way you are, the better it serves the goals of IS. IS absolutely wants you to hold the entire Muslim religion guilty for their deeds. They absolutely want you to hate all Muslims.

Yet you jump at the chance to spread division and hate by labling the Chapel Hill murders a hate crime before the facts are in. Good job serving IS's goals and purposes hypocrite.

Man, there are a few out there who are so obsessed with criticizing anything I write that you have lost all touch with any sense of logic. Do you seriously not know the difference between suggesting a linkage between an individual's Facebook posting and his motive for committing a crime and the tarnishing of the religious beliefs of an entire group? Who was being divided by correctly stating that Hicks' Facebook posting showed that he was strongly anti-religious? How does that help IS?

Except you didn't do that. You said in the chapel hill thread that "People like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins have made anti-Islamic bigotry acceptable among progressives" tarring all anti-theists and leading anti-theist figures with what you concluded, without the facts, was a hate crime. I expect your narrative of Muslims being targets of hate crimes fueled by the likes of Dawkins, Harris et. al. will soon be used by Islamists to justify coming atrocities. Good job hatemongering.

Yes, I named three specific individuals who have contributed to making anti-Islam bigotry acceptable among some liberals. That says nothing about other atheists -- many of whom are vociferous critics of those three individuals (and, I should add, have much bigger platforms for their criticism than I do). As I said in another thread, atheists claim to be advocates of logic and rational thought. But, your suggestion that my post "will soon be used by Islamists to justify coming atrocities" is completely insane. Do you think these guys have been keeping their attacks on Islam secret and I have just revealed them? Use some sense. Or, better yet, join the atheists who have denounced Maher, Harris, and Dawkins for their treatment of Islam.

Yes, let's stop insulting muslims and pretending that they are not objecting to ISIS. They are putting more lives at risk to defeat them than we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Peaceful religion

And Egypt, an Islamic State, set bombers to bomb ISIS strong holds in response, yesterday/today. Muslim fighting Muslim, not religion.

This!