Fact. If you are an atheist , you cannot answer the question of whether you have a soul or not. This is because logically , you don't . But then you have to invent the most convoluted , hilarious, feelings based , illogical religion ever to separate yourself as more valuable than a worm in a universal, scientific environment .

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Anonymous wrote:Enough with the stupid jpeg's, PP. You're as bad as the people you are criticizing and too silly to realize it.

I realized several years ago that arguing with these trolls is pointless. Having some fun is actually a very logical response.

But keep trying to take the high ground with "I've read Kant so I'm not going to talk to you" and let us know how that works for you....

Ever heard of turning the other cheek? You are not just having fun, you are sinking to their level. What is the point of that?

1. What's the point of your telling someone, "I don't have to respond to you until you've read Kant"?
(a) Why respond at all, in that case?
(b) Why tell OP to read Kant when you claim to have knowledge of Kant that you could potentially share with OP?
2. I'm not responsible for many of the jpegs here.
3. Calling a troll a troll isn't stooping, IMO. It's stating a fact.

But you can do it with more class. You are playing right into every stereotype. Continue if you must - I just find the irony to be amazing.

Hey Mr Atheist! Do you have a soul?

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This thread has offered nothing to answer my original question. The believers just "know". They have their own definition of truth. I left this thread a long time ago.

What can anyone say here that would satisfy you? One could argue that you have your own definition of the truth. If you want to begin an intelligent discussion, then why don't you offer your own LOGICAL reasons for disbelief as a starting point? My guess is because you are, in fact, not interested in an intelligent or respectful discussion, and you do not care what anyone else thinks except to the extent that you can use their beliefs as the jumping off point for snarky (and not very clever) "retorts." I am a Christian who 100% respects your right to believe as you wish and would never try to convince you that you are stupid or unintelligent for holding those beliefs (or lack thereof). Can you say the same?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people who are otherwise very smart and logical people believe in god. The idea of a god has never made sense to me, even as people in my family taught me about god and religion. I exclude the religious nut jobs from this question and want to address Those who are educated and feel they have a good deal of common sense in other areas. What makes you believe? Is there any LOGICAL reason behind your beliefs?

Have you read widely on philosophy and logic? Read some St. Thomas Aquinas, Pascal, Kant, etc etc etc and then come back to talk. If you haven't bothered to actually educate yourself about the beliefs and faith traditions of millions of people, whether you think they are valid or not, why should I justify myself to you?

+1. I'm one of the believers posting images here. I recently finished St. Augustine's Confessions. I've also read St. Thomas Aquinas, some Kant, Spinoza, Borg, Dawkins and many more. I'm pretty sure that's more than the trolls here, including the bit about Dawkins.

Anonymous wrote:I cannot understand why people who are otherwise very smart and logical people believe in god. The idea of a god has never made sense to me, even as people in my family taught me about god and religion. I exclude the religious nut jobs from this question and want to address Those who are educated and feel they have a good deal of common sense in other areas. What makes you believe? Is there any LOGICAL reason behind your beliefs?

Have you read widely on philosophy and logic? Read some St. Thomas Aquinas, Pascal, Kant, etc etc etc and then come back to talk. If you haven't bothered to actually educate yourself about the beliefs and faith traditions of millions of people, whether you think they are valid or not, why should I justify myself to you?

OP here. This thread has offered nothing to answer my original question. The believers just "know". They have their own definition of truth. I left this thread a long time ago.

I think people believe in God as part tradition and part hope. I would not want to be the one to tell someone that lost a child that their child is not waiting for them with Jesus. Religion is a coping mechanism that works pretty darn well for many people.

I'm not a joiner myself, so I don't really get the value of a religion specifically, and I don't mind taking responsibility for my life and my actions. I also don't need to believe that everyone will get their just desserts, because I am not a child anymore.

I don't understand why self-professed atheists sound so angry though. If it doesn't work for you, and it works for someone else, fine. As long as they don't try to indoctrinate my children, and don't force me to pretend to believe what they do, I just don't see the harm.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you still spewing your insignificant souless feelings. You are nothing. Get some logic and accept your complete lack of any actual value.

So only beings that have the eternal life offered by Christ have any actual value in this life. What about all those atheist Doctors and scientists making life better for people on here on earth and expecting no eternal reward?

Logically, if there is no God , they have no more universal value than a rock or a worm they are not separate from any other detritus. So yes , zero value. Feelings are the realm of the deluded and illogical.

OK - That does it -- pp is purposely trying to make Christians and atheists look bad. No good person, irrespective of religion, would negate the value of people who spend their lives making life better for people here on earth.

Anonymous wrote:They're just scared of death...or of death. I guess if you have a God that will condemn your sole to hell if there is an afterlife, you live a life of fear.

Atheists live in a illogical and hilarious world where there is no God, they have no soul and yet their little feelings and opinions are important.

Hahahahahaha!

They're just scared of death...or of death. I guess if you have a God that will condemn your sole to hell if there is an afterlife, you live a life of fear.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you still spewing your insignificant souless feelings. You are nothing. Get some logic and accept your complete lack of any actual value.

So only beings that have the eternal life offered by Christ have any actual value in this life. What about all those atheist Doctors and scientists making life better for people on here on earth and expecting no eternal reward?

Logically, if there is no God , they have no more universal value than a rock or a worm they are not separate from any other detritus. So yes , zero value. Feelings are the realm of the deluded and illogical.

Anonymous wrote:Why are you still spewing your insignificant souless feelings. You are nothing. Get some logic and accept your complete lack of any actual value.

So only beings that have the eternal life offered by Christ have any actual value in this life. What about all those atheist Doctors and scientists making life better for people on here on earth and expecting no eternal reward?

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Anonymous wrote:Since you don't have a soul . The only thing wrong with killing you is that you might get caught. You have no more value than a rock or a chicken.

Wait -- is this a Christian talking? all humans have souls, whether they believe it or not and if you use your free will to not believe in god, then you go to hell-- according to Christian beliefs. (or just die like everything else in the universe, if Christian beliefs are not True)

If atheism is true he has no soul. Then his life is of no more universal consequence than that of a worm. His opinions and feelings are the weak squeaking of a mouse. The very fact that he believes in no God and yet feels his opinion is important is hilarious!

But atheism isn't true, is it? so when pp dies, he suffers a christian fate, right? like everyone else -- assuming, of course, that Christianity is true.

do dead christians, once in heaven, have opinions and feelings that have "universal consequence?" I don't remember hearing anything about that in church.

The creator of the universe cared enough to sacrifice his son. Christian feelings and opinions are of greater consequence than the universe.

Why are you still spewing your insignificant souless feelings. You are nothing. Get some logic and accept your complete lack of any actual value.