Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I helped administer the CogAT at my FCPS school last week. Here are examples of prepping:

"Ms. ______, my mommy and I practice paper folding and cutting holes and unfolding after dinner every night. It's fun!"

"Ms. _______, I have something to tell you. My daddy printed out this test on his printer at work. It's just the same - ducks on the top of the page!"

Yes, you can spend hours paper folding at he to help with that section of the CogAT, and, sure, you could buy it online and have your kid take it. But then it's completely invalid. What the hell is the point of that?

Just curious, the second example sounds like the child was prepped with a copy of the actual test because I doubt a test prep company would randomly have ducks on the top of the page and the actual test also have that. Why doesn't FCPS secure the test better. I thought this was why the test was changed to a FCPS specific test instead of the regular CogAT.

Why should FCPS have to secure the test better? Should we really have to operate from a place where the expectation is that adults will look for a way to help second graders (!) cheat on a test and then find ways to keep said adults from acquiring copies of the same or essentially similar tests ahead of time? How crazy is it that we should place the burden on FCPS to keep adults from helping children to cheat?

If FCPS is relying on a test to determine who will get a service, then one would hope they would be careful about securing the test. What the pp described sounded like the child had the actual test, not a third party prep material. Also, if they aren't securing the actual test, why waste taxpayer money on getting a special form of the test?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

CogAT is not an IQ test.

CogAT was designed to test how children solved problems they have never seen before. Prepping in this an other affluent areas has warped the test as a measurement of anything.

And this is why you can take the enormous amounts of AAP kids in western Fx Co with a big, huge grain of salt. Vienna, McLean, Great Falls... there are prep classes available and many parents sign their kids up for them to prepare for the CogAT. Usually, they're called things like "Creative Problem Solving" or "Abstract Reasoning," but often they're just blatantly labeled "CogAT Prep". Can't believe Fx Co just turns a blind eye to this while parents are wondering how on earth so many kids from this area of the county are admitted, year after year.

Interesting that you keep focusing on "Vienna, McLean, Great Falls," when so many AAP kids are Asians who live in Fairfax, Chantilly, Oakton, Herndon, and Centreville. Maybe you think that the Asian kids who live in western Fairfax naturally belong in AAP, but the kids from the high-income areas of Vienna, McLean and Great Falls only get in if they are "prepped."

Talk about pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I helped administer the CogAT at my FCPS school last week. Here are examples of prepping:

"Ms. ______, my mommy and I practice paper folding and cutting holes and unfolding after dinner every night. It's fun!"

"Ms. _______, I have something to tell you. My daddy printed out this test on his printer at work. It's just the same - ducks on the top of the page!"

Yes, you can spend hours paper folding at he to help with that section of the CogAT, and, sure, you could buy it online and have your kid take it. But then it's completely invalid. What the hell is the point of that?

Just curious, the second example sounds like the child was prepped with a copy of the actual test because I doubt a test prep company would randomly have ducks on the top of the page and the actual test also have that. Why doesn't FCPS secure the test better. I thought this was why the test was changed to a FCPS specific test instead of the regular CogAT.

Why should FCPS have to secure the test better? Should we really have to operate from a place where the expectation is that adults will look for a way to help second graders (!) cheat on a test and then find ways to keep said adults from acquiring copies of the same or essentially similar tests ahead of time? How crazy is it that we should place the burden on FCPS to keep adults from helping children to cheat?

Clearly the answer is yes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I helped administer the CogAT at my FCPS school last week. Here are examples of prepping:

"Ms. ______, my mommy and I practice paper folding and cutting holes and unfolding after dinner every night. It's fun!"

"Ms. _______, I have something to tell you. My daddy printed out this test on his printer at work. It's just the same - ducks on the top of the page!"

Yes, you can spend hours paper folding at he to help with that section of the CogAT, and, sure, you could buy it online and have your kid take it. But then it's completely invalid. What the hell is the point of that?

Just curious, the second example sounds like the child was prepped with a copy of the actual test because I doubt a test prep company would randomly have ducks on the top of the page and the actual test also have that. Why doesn't FCPS secure the test better. I thought this was why the test was changed to a FCPS specific test instead of the regular CogAT.

Why should FCPS have to secure the test better? Should we really have to operate from a place where the expectation is that adults will look for a way to help second graders (!) cheat on a test and then find ways to keep said adults from acquiring copies of the same or essentially similar tests ahead of time? How crazy is it that we should place the burden on FCPS to keep adults from helping children to cheat?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

CogAT is not an IQ test.

CogAT was designed to test how children solved problems they have never seen before. Prepping in this an other affluent areas has warped the test as a measurement of anything.

And this is why you can take the enormous amounts of AAP kids in western Fx Co with a big, huge grain of salt. Vienna, McLean, Great Falls... there are prep classes available and many parents sign their kids up for them to prepare for the CogAT. Usually, they're called things like "Creative Problem Solving" or "Abstract Reasoning," but often they're just blatantly labeled "CogAT Prep". Can't believe Fx Co just turns a blind eye to this while parents are wondering how on earth so many kids from this area of the county are admitted, year after year.

Anonymous wrote:I helped administer the CogAT at my FCPS school last week. Here are examples of prepping:

"Ms. ______, my mommy and I practice paper folding and cutting holes and unfolding after dinner every night. It's fun!"

"Ms. _______, I have something to tell you. My daddy printed out this test on his printer at work. It's just the same - ducks on the top of the page!"

Yes, you can spend hours paper folding at he to help with that section of the CogAT, and, sure, you could buy it online and have your kid take it. But then it's completely invalid. What the hell is the point of that?

Just curious, the second example sounds like the child was prepped with a copy of the actual test because I doubt a test prep company would randomly have ducks on the top of the page and the actual test also have that. Why doesn't FCPS secure the test better. I thought this was why the test was changed to a FCPS specific test instead of the regular CogAT.

Then, we are reading different threads.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

CogAT is not an IQ test.

CogAT was designed to test how children solved problems they have never seen before. Prepping in this an other affluent areas has warped the test as a measurement of anything.

Your first sentence is correct. The bolded sentence above is not. Prepping in the context of this thread has nothing to do with IQ tests.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

CogAT is not an IQ test.

CogAT was designed to test how children solved problems they have never seen before. Prepping in this an other affluent areas has warped the test as a measurement of anything.

Anonymous wrote:Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

CogAT is not an IQ test.

Anonymous wrote:I helped administer the CogAT at my FCPS school last week. Here are examples of prepping:

"Ms. ______, my mommy and I practice paper folding and cutting holes and unfolding after dinner every night. It's fun!"

"Ms. _______, I have something to tell you. My daddy printed out this test on his printer at work. It's just the same - ducks on the top of the page!"

Yes, you can spend hours paper folding at he to help with that section of the CogAT, and, sure, you could buy it online and have your kid take it. But then it's completely invalid. What the hell is the point of that?

Pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

Thank you. This is exactly right.

I helped administer the CogAT at my FCPS school last week. Here are examples of prepping:

"Ms. ______, my mommy and I practice paper folding and cutting holes and unfolding after dinner every night. It's fun!"

"Ms. _______, I have something to tell you. My daddy printed out this test on his printer at work. It's just the same - ducks on the top of the page!"

Yes, you can spend hours paper folding at he to help with that section of the CogAT, and, sure, you could buy it online and have your kid take it. But then it's completely invalid. What the hell is the point of that?

Every thread with the word prep in it falls into the same pattern. Prepping in the context of this thread refers to actions whose sole purpose is to increase the scores on an IQ test; it does not increase the baseline IQ.

The reason why people "prep" the kids are to give them an advantage in regards to obtaining entry into AAP.

It has nothing to do with studying for an exam, it has nothing to do with sports.

If you think prepping for the CogAT is a positive attribute, call out the action on the AAP parental referral form. If you will not do that, then you know it is cheating.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As is obvious from the variations in the PP there is no definition. Even Urban Dictionary does not try. Peruse the posts.....

Kumon: Yes and no
Workbooks: Yes and no.
Music lessons: Yes and no
Supplementing: Yes and no.
Tutors: Yes and No.
Tiger Moms & Dads: Oh Yes, Yes, Yes (whatever that means either.

The term barely exists outside DCUM.

Basically, since no one wants to be labeled racist, it's code for high achieving minorities (mostly Asian, but it helps rationalize Ben Carson, Herman Cain and similar others too).

Best definition so far....

OP here. We are Asian-American. I know I am not a Tiger Mom. We do spend time teaching my child how to read and write. Some of those materials include workbooks. I'm thinking other people will think that I prep my children.

DH and I are both ivy league educated. We studied for our SATs, GMATs and MCATs. Don't think our parents prepped us for tests to get us into honors classes. I was always on an advanced math track but don't think I had honors classes until middle school. We are from out of state.

Who cares what other people think? Are you not going to do what you think is best for your child because you are worried about what people will think? News flash, if someone stereotypes about Asians, they will do it regardless of what you do. Get over it. My DC is black and does very well in school. There are people who stereotype who might assume he got into AAP because the county lowered the standards for him and that he doesn't really belong. Should I avoid AAP for fear of what others might assume? You need to get over your concern about what others are doing/thinking, and focus on what you think is best for your child.