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Anonymous wrote:Plus, during some procedures there can be a fine spray of saline mixed with bodily fluids coming at the person. This will get everywhere. Don't get me started on the floor around a patient that has certain procedures done.
I am shocked that they put on standard contact precaution gear only.
Feeling upset for the people who put their lives on the line there at Dallas Presbyterian !

Praying the nurse will recover ...

God, that's terrifying. That poor nurse - she's only 26.

Maybe that guy shouldn't have gotten on an airplane and lied about being exposed to Ebola - and now of course his "partner" is suing everyone.

So we're starting with this shit again?

He lied. Liberia said he lied. They were planning to prosecute him when he returned home. What about this is too hard to understand? Are you stupid?

This has been covered many, many times. Do your research and quit repeating speculation as though it's proven fact.

Not the PP, but just to explain to the other PP; it was reported that he was very distraught when he was told of his diagnosis, and said he would have never brought it, had he only known, wished he'd never exposed his family etc.

... If that is true, he suffered from a massive case of denial, and I hate to say, stupidity.
After all, half of his neighbors were dead or dying within a few days... About 6-7 people. They certainly knew it was Ebola then - at least by the second death...
And his fiancée said; " Ebola just never came up at all in our conversation!"
I mean, how can it not? How? You are just coming from a hot zone country where this is changing people's lives like nothing ever before, where this is on everyone's mind. Your neighbors are dying like flies. How can it not come up?
And how can I, as a relative, NOT ask about the situation 'at home'? Utter denial. Unknown degree of stupidity all around.

But it is here now, and now it's up to us, not to be in denial and display stupidity in dealing with this, locally, nationally, and internationally.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus, during some procedures there can be a fine spray of saline mixed with bodily fluids coming at the person. This will get everywhere. Don't get me started on the floor around a patient that has certain procedures done.
I am shocked that they put on standard contact precaution gear only.
Feeling upset for the people who put their lives on the line there at Dallas Presbyterian !

Praying the nurse will recover ...

God, that's terrifying. That poor nurse - she's only 26.

Maybe that guy shouldn't have gotten on an airplane and lied about being exposed to Ebola - and now of course his "partner" is suing everyone.

So we're starting with this shit again?

He lied. Liberia said he lied. They were planning to prosecute him when he returned home. What about this is too hard to understand? Are you stupid?

This has been covered many, many times. Do your research and quit repeating speculation as though it's proven fact.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EBOLA_HOSPITAL_STAFF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-13-18-45-19

DALLAS (AP) -- They drew his blood, put tubes down his throat and wiped up his diarrhea. They analyzed his urine and wiped saliva from his lips, even after he had lost consciousness.

About 70 staff members at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital were involved in the care of Thomas Eric Duncan after he was hospitalized, including a nurse now being treated for the same Ebola virus that killed the Liberian man who was visiting Dallas, according to medical records his family provided to The Associated Press.

Why on earth would they need 70 staffers taking care of him? It seems like the sensible thing to do would be to have a pretty limited number of people with any type of contact with the patient?!

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good article just released by CNN, talking about 5 things the CDC is doing wrong:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/health/ebola-cdc/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=1

Right, the bastion of good journalism, was this posted before or after the latest Hollywood entertainment piece.

So true!

Did you read it? I think it's pretty rational and rings very true. Quotes Hopkins doctors etc. Not exactly TMZ.

The article is very good. And pp is right - it has very reputable sources.

A lot of this is a case of hindsight being 20/20. The idea about the 1-800 number sounds like a good one but things like this take time to be set up. They can't be implemented overnight.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus, during some procedures there can be a fine spray of saline mixed with bodily fluids coming at the person. This will get everywhere. Don't get me started on the floor around a patient that has certain procedures done.
I am shocked that they put on standard contact precaution gear only.
Feeling upset for the people who put their lives on the line there at Dallas Presbyterian !

Praying the nurse will recover ...

God, that's terrifying. That poor nurse - she's only 26.

Maybe that guy shouldn't have gotten on an airplane and lied about being exposed to Ebola - and now of course his "partner" is suing everyone.

So we're starting with this shit again?

He lied. Liberia said he lied. They were planning to prosecute him when he returned home. What about this is too hard to understand? Are you stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good article just released by CNN, talking about 5 things the CDC is doing wrong:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/health/ebola-cdc/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=1

Right, the bastion of good journalism, was this posted before or after the latest Hollywood entertainment piece.

So true!

Did you read it? I think it's pretty rational and rings very true. Quotes Hopkins doctors etc. Not exactly TMZ.

The article is very good. And pp is right - it has very reputable sources.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus, during some procedures there can be a fine spray of saline mixed with bodily fluids coming at the person. This will get everywhere. Don't get me started on the floor around a patient that has certain procedures done.
I am shocked that they put on standard contact precaution gear only.
Feeling upset for the people who put their lives on the line there at Dallas Presbyterian !

Praying the nurse will recover ...

God, that's terrifying. That poor nurse - she's only 26.

Maybe that guy shouldn't have gotten on an airplane and lied about being exposed to Ebola - and now of course his "partner" is suing everyone.

So we're starting with this shit again?

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Anonymous wrote:Those making the breach accusations probably NEVER took care of a patient since medical school.

Amen. Maybe the CDC director should have toured a Doctors Without Borders treatment center and talked to the people who have arguably the most experience in treating Ebola patients in the world, before deciding that putting on a flimsy standard contact precaution gown would be sufficient for treating Ebola patients in US hospitals.

Also the advice to West Africa travelers to "call any doctor" on the flyer on arrival....
Ugh! Whoever came up with that, needs to get a different job.
We will just have people walking into the ER and by the time they are identified, they've already exposed dozens of people ..,
They need a 24 hr hotline instead, like poison control, that can alert a hospital in advance, so they don't sit in a crowded waiting room, use the public bathroom while waiting, etc.... There was ZERO thought put into this flyer handout.

The "call any doctor" part is absurd. They are putting an awful lot of responsibility in the hands of medical receptionists. Because when you call your doctor, that's who you talk to. That is who will be the first line in determining whether to schedule an appointment, tell you to go to the ER, or to consult with the doctor or nurse to get direction on what to tell the patient.

The weird CDC director walked back his earlier ill-considered remarks about alleged breach of protocol.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good article just released by CNN, talking about 5 things the CDC is doing wrong:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/health/ebola-cdc/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=1

Right, the bastion of good journalism, was this posted before or after the latest Hollywood entertainment piece.

So true!

Did you read it? I think it's pretty rational and rings very true. Quotes Hopkins doctors etc. Not exactly TMZ.

The government's protocol for dealing with Ebola (at facilities such as Fort Detrick) is far stricter than the protocol most hospitals have in place. If the protocol failed to protect her, it is the protocol's fault. I seriously doubt it is the nurse's fault. Of course the CDC throws her under the bus to try to prevent a public panic.

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Anonymous wrote:YUP THEY THREW HER UNDER THE BUS...AND THEY EXPECT US TO TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT VICTIMS?

Hmmmm

I'm sure you'll feel better if she dies than your ass won't have to pay a dime. You don't mean "expect us to take care." You mean "me take care." Don't put everybody in your self-righteous, self-centered equation.

It is not self righteous! I am in health care and if this is how we treat folks who get sick while taking care of others then, I'm gone.

You should leave and leave NOW. The brave and noble people willing to step up and put themselves on the front line need support and the best infectious prevention training in the world.

Even with high risk prevention training, you don't sound like high risk medical care candidate because you are self-centered. Thst's not a slam. I sense with the best PPE gear, you still wouldn't have the cojones to step up to the plate. It takes more than just PPE gear to put yourself in such a dangerous situation.

I think that Dallas nurse is a hero, a real one. I guarantee her medical peers, the real ones, are going to take care of her whether she made a mistake in disrobing or not.

No one who walks away from such danger is weak or self centered.

?? why not? Seems fairly obvious (np)

Shush. Until you are in that situation, looking at a virulently ill person puking blod that could kill you, don't be so sure.

My spouse is one of those people. And he would never think twice about treating a sick patient, that's what he (and all doctors) took an oath to do. If it makes people uncomfortable, healthcare isn't the right career choice.

Let your spouse speak for themselves, again, only when sitting in front of the Ebola victim.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus, during some procedures there can be a fine spray of saline mixed with bodily fluids coming at the person. This will get everywhere. Don't get me started on the floor around a patient that has certain procedures done.
I am shocked that they put on standard contact precaution gear only.
Feeling upset for the people who put their lives on the line there at Dallas Presbyterian !

Praying the nurse will recover ...

God, that's terrifying. That poor nurse - she's only 26.

Maybe that guy shouldn't have gotten on an airplane and lied about being exposed to Ebola - and now of course his "partner" is suing everyone.

Could his estate be sued?

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Anonymous wrote:YUP THEY THREW HER UNDER THE BUS...AND THEY EXPECT US TO TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT VICTIMS?

Hmmmm

I'm sure you'll feel better if she dies than your ass won't have to pay a dime. You don't mean "expect us to take care." You mean "me take care." Don't put everybody in your self-righteous, self-centered equation.

It is not self righteous! I am in health care and if this is how we treat folks who get sick while taking care of others then, I'm gone.

You should leave and leave NOW. The brave and noble people willing to step up and put themselves on the front line need support and the best infectious prevention training in the world.

Even with high risk prevention training, you don't sound like high risk medical care candidate because you are self-centered. Thst's not a slam. I sense with the best PPE gear, you still wouldn't have the cojones to step up to the plate. It takes more than just PPE gear to put yourself in such a dangerous situation.

I think that Dallas nurse is a hero, a real one. I guarantee her medical peers, the real ones, are going to take care of her whether she made a mistake in disrobing or not.

No one who walks away from such danger is weak or self centered.

?? why not? Seems fairly obvious (np)

Shush. Until you are in that situation, looking at a virulently ill person puking blod that could kill you, don't be so sure.

My spouse is one of those people. And he would never think twice about treating a sick patient, that's what he (and all doctors) took an oath to do. If it makes people uncomfortable, healthcare isn't the right career choice.

Anonymous wrote:Plus, during some procedures there can be a fine spray of saline mixed with bodily fluids coming at the person. This will get everywhere. Don't get me started on the floor around a patient that has certain procedures done.
I am shocked that they put on standard contact precaution gear only.
Feeling upset for the people who put their lives on the line there at Dallas Presbyterian !

Praying the nurse will recover ...

God, that's terrifying. That poor nurse - she's only 26.

Maybe that guy shouldn't have gotten on an airplane and lied about being exposed to Ebola - and now of course his "partner" is suing everyone.