Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 10:35     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

I hate walking barefoot on someone else's floors. I hate seeing FIL stretching his bare feet all over my couch and chairs. At least put socks on.

I hate the sight of feet more than shoes. I slip my shoes off at my door but don't expect others to. I would prefer they didn't, actually. Floors are washable.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 10:20     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let's face it-- it's just rude to make people take off their shoes, whether you provide them with new or used slippers or nothing at all. Some people have foot issues, some people's pant legs will be too long and drag the floor without shoes, some people had no idea you would require that and wore the socks with the hole in the toe, and some people chose their outfit because they love the shoes and they want to wear them. The reason doesn't matter-- if guests wanted to take off their shoes they would do so without prompting at all.

Justify it by talking about your floors, the germs on the floor that will kill your kids, or anything else. It's still the equivalent of keeping the plastic slipcovers on and it makes your guests less comfortable, no matter what they say to your face. The point of hospitality is to make everyone feel welcome in your home. Treating them like disease carriers or small children does not make them feel comfortable in your home.

So, no, there is no good way to change to a shoe-free home.


Exactly. I'm involved in a process right now that involves the possibility of interviews in one's home. The people running the program have made it clear that participants should never ask other participants to remove their shoes, even if it is the habit in that home. It is seen as rude and inhospitable and simply not culturally appropriate here. It is never seen as welcoming to put people in an awkward, uncomfortable situation.


Yes, you should know whether to do so without having to be asked. Pro tip: an area with all of the homes shoes neatly stacked, a host not wearing shoes indoor, and clean floor probably means it is a shoe-free home.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 10:11     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

Anonymous wrote:Let's face it-- it's just rude to make people take off their shoes, whether you provide them with new or used slippers or nothing at all. Some people have foot issues, some people's pant legs will be too long and drag the floor without shoes, some people had no idea you would require that and wore the socks with the hole in the toe, and some people chose their outfit because they love the shoes and they want to wear them. The reason doesn't matter-- if guests wanted to take off their shoes they would do so without prompting at all.

Justify it by talking about your floors, the germs on the floor that will kill your kids, or anything else. It's still the equivalent of keeping the plastic slipcovers on and it makes your guests less comfortable, no matter what they say to your face. The point of hospitality is to make everyone feel welcome in your home. Treating them like disease carriers or small children does not make them feel comfortable in your home.

So, no, there is no good way to change to a shoe-free home.


Exactly. I'm involved in a process right now that involves the possibility of interviews in one's home. The people running the program have made it clear that participants should never ask other participants to remove their shoes, even if it is the habit in that home. It is seen as rude and inhospitable and simply not culturally appropriate here. It is never seen as welcoming to put people in an awkward, uncomfortable situation.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 10:02     Subject: Changing to a shoe-free home

How self-absorbed are you as a guest to not notice if a home is shoe-free or not? We regularly host large parties (dinner, wine, super bowl, really any occasion) and have anywhere from 50-100 people in our home. I have yet to see anyone chafe at removing their shoes, and we don't mind if people need to where shoes for medical reasons. If people are declining invites because of our home being shoe-free, we never hear about it, and frankly if you are that socially unaware we don't want you in our home anyway.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 09:38     Subject: Changing to a shoe-free home

Anonymous wrote:There is a very easy way to be shoes free. Have your family and kids' friends be shoes free and let any guests keep their shoes on. Many will notice on their own and take their shoes off, others won't. No big deal. Don't be a perfectionist about it and you will still track in less dirt from the outside.

I personally am grossed out by shoes free to an extent. I don't like the idea of sweaty stinky feet spreading bacteria all over my house. I prefer shoes. Yeah, they may track in some outside dirt but they are less likely to actually bring a bunch of microbial stuff into the house.

We lived in Canada for a while where most people are shoes free (at least in the city where we lived). So we were all shoes free within reason, and our child picked up the habit the best and continues it here years later without us even asking. It's very ingrained. We are back to maybe 60% shoes free. But we need slippers in the winter to feel warm. I grew up with slippers as well so that's fine.

In Canada even workmen were shoes free. They would either bring their own shoe covers or take shoes off (which again kind of grossed me out--don't need someone's stinky sweat). We had movers who would actually blindly slide shoes on at the door while holding enormous pieces of furniture as they exited. I kept telling them it was unnecessary, I didn't require it, we were moving out anyway. They insisted! Canadian politeness I guess.


Agh! I have a carpet runner up my stairs. When we moved in it was raining and there are huge muddy tracks up and down the stairs from the movers. Drives me crazy
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 09:23     Subject: Changing to a shoe-free home

When my son was a preschooler, he hated not having shoes on. (No, no autism, sensory issues, whatever -- just freaked out.) I'll never forget taking him to a party at a home where the hosts were Indian. My son looked at the shoes lined up outside and started to freak out. The hostess VERY, VERY kindly said it was fine for him to keep his shoes on. I started out feeling terrible because shoes-off was very much a cultural thing and expectation for this family, but they were more concerned about a guest's comfort than anything else. Showed class, and was very much appreciated.

(FWIW, my son no longer has that no-shoes aversion. It was intense but short-lived.)
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 02:27     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

Anonymous wrote:Let's face it-- it's just rude to make people take off their shoes, whether you provide them with new or used slippers or nothing at all. Some people have foot issues, some people's pant legs will be too long and drag the floor without shoes, some people had no idea you would require that and wore the socks with the hole in the toe, and some people chose their outfit because they love the shoes and they want to wear them. The reason doesn't matter-- if guests wanted to take off their shoes they would do so without prompting at all.

Justify it by talking about your floors, the germs on the floor that will kill your kids, or anything else. It's still the equivalent of keeping the plastic slipcovers on and it makes your guests less comfortable, no matter what they say to your face. The point of hospitality is to make everyone feel welcome in your home. Treating them like disease carriers or small children does not make them feel comfortable in your home.

So, no, there is no good way to change to a shoe-free home.


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Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 02:21     Subject: Changing to a shoe-free home

Never met a person that has such f"d up get they have to wear shoes at all times even to bed. Just take off the shoes like most normal people.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 02:16     Subject: Changing to a shoe-free home

I still find this whole concept hilarious. And such a perfect example of DCUMers trying to control something they can't control by setting some pointless rule that doesn't even come close to solving the problem.

Inevitably, the same people who insist on making guests take off their shoes have dogs slathering and shedding all over everything in their house.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 02:00     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

We ask that everyone removes their shoes at the door. That's the norm where we live. I don't like the idea of guest slippers. I wouldn't wear them , so why should my guests. We warn people in advance and ask them to bring slippers. We take our slippers with us when visiting and everyone politely reciprocates. But once again, this is what most people seem to do anyway. We live in an affluent semi rural area that is wet and muddy for most of the year, which may explain why this is the norm
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2014 11:14     Subject: Changing to a shoe-free home

There is a very easy way to be shoes free. Have your family and kids' friends be shoes free and let any guests keep their shoes on. Many will notice on their own and take their shoes off, others won't. No big deal. Don't be a perfectionist about it and you will still track in less dirt from the outside.

I personally am grossed out by shoes free to an extent. I don't like the idea of sweaty stinky feet spreading bacteria all over my house. I prefer shoes. Yeah, they may track in some outside dirt but they are less likely to actually bring a bunch of microbial stuff into the house.

We lived in Canada for a while where most people are shoes free (at least in the city where we lived). So we were all shoes free within reason, and our child picked up the habit the best and continues it here years later without us even asking. It's very ingrained. We are back to maybe 60% shoes free. But we need slippers in the winter to feel warm. I grew up with slippers as well so that's fine.

In Canada even workmen were shoes free. They would either bring their own shoe covers or take shoes off (which again kind of grossed me out--don't need someone's stinky sweat). We had movers who would actually blindly slide shoes on at the door while holding enormous pieces of furniture as they exited. I kept telling them it was unnecessary, I didn't require it, we were moving out anyway. They insisted! Canadian politeness I guess.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2014 11:03     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

Let's face it-- it's just rude to make people take off their shoes, whether you provide them with new or used slippers or nothing at all. Some people have foot issues, some people's pant legs will be too long and drag the floor without shoes, some people had no idea you would require that and wore the socks with the hole in the toe, and some people chose their outfit because they love the shoes and they want to wear them. The reason doesn't matter-- if guests wanted to take off their shoes they would do so without prompting at all.

Justify it by talking about your floors, the germs on the floor that will kill your kids, or anything else. It's still the equivalent of keeping the plastic slipcovers on and it makes your guests less comfortable, no matter what they say to your face. The point of hospitality is to make everyone feel welcome in your home. Treating them like disease carriers or small children does not make them feel comfortable in your home.

So, no, there is no good way to change to a shoe-free home.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2014 10:14     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
+1. I noticed that too and figured that PP has never even been to Asia! We live in Japan and you take your shoes off in the entry, neatly place them in a designated spot, and wear slippers provided by the host (who keeps a basket of various sizes in the entry). I shudder to think of the giant centipedes, banana spiders, and cockroaches that could take up residence if PP's imaginary Asian scenario were actually true!


Are you saying that guests wear slippers that other guests have worn? I have to admit I would be hesitant to put my feet in slippers that other people have worn, it doesn't seem terribly hygienic.


Do you purchase shoes from stores? Are you aware that other people have probably tried those shoes on before you? And those people are strangers, not even the friends and family of your hosts, upon whom you can presumably count to throw out or at least wash the shoes worn by uncle bob during his outbreak of toe fungus.


Big difference between briefly trying on shoes for size, and wearing shoes that someone else has worn for hours.

Also, many people need far more foot support than slippers or slip-on shoes can provide. Many women experience plantar fasciitis after pregnancy, especially after having a big baby, and need to be wearing supportive, tie up shoes to enable their recovery. My doctor was very clear that I needed to be in shoes with good arch support that tie up whenever I am standing and walking. Once you have had plantar fasciitis, it is likely to return if you go back to wearing less supportive shoes, and most slippers are lacking in any support whatsoever.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2014 10:05     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

Anonymous wrote:
+1. I noticed that too and figured that PP has never even been to Asia! We live in Japan and you take your shoes off in the entry, neatly place them in a designated spot, and wear slippers provided by the host (who keeps a basket of various sizes in the entry). I shudder to think of the giant centipedes, banana spiders, and cockroaches that could take up residence if PP's imaginary Asian scenario were actually true!


Are you saying that guests wear slippers that other guests have worn? I have to admit I would be hesitant to put my feet in slippers that other people have worn, it doesn't seem terribly hygienic.


Do you purchase shoes from stores? Are you aware that other people have probably tried those shoes on before you? And those people are strangers, not even the friends and family of your hosts, upon whom you can presumably count to throw out or at least wash the shoes worn by uncle bob during his outbreak of toe fungus.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2014 09:28     Subject: Re:Changing to a shoe-free home

+1. I noticed that too and figured that PP has never even been to Asia! We live in Japan and you take your shoes off in the entry, neatly place them in a designated spot, and wear slippers provided by the host (who keeps a basket of various sizes in the entry). I shudder to think of the giant centipedes, banana spiders, and cockroaches that could take up residence if PP's imaginary Asian scenario were actually true!


Are you saying that guests wear slippers that other guests have worn? I have to admit I would be hesitant to put my feet in slippers that other people have worn, it doesn't seem terribly hygienic.