Muslima
Post 08/06/2014 10:59     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
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Anonymous wrote:I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable. The guys looked like they were having a blast.



Hmmmm. The veiled Muslims I see at Ocean City go swimming. Now, is wouldn't want to do that fully veiled, but they seemed just fine. Maybe the women you saw don't know how to swim?


I used to think these pictures were a joke.

apparently not?




Women don't swim in their abayas, they swim in something called the burquini, made especially for swimming in a material that protects against sub, uv and doesn't expand in water
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 09:14     Subject: Re:If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
. . . first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Matthew 7:5

I am the Bible quoter from above, so definitely have strong disagreements with Islam; however I think it is very important to remember this quotation from the Bible (or if you are not a Christian to remember the secularized sentiment behind it). Let us fix ourselves before we call others names.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:51     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
911 al queda and the scum dancing in the street after the towers fell.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:45     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable. The guys looked like they were having a blast.



I'm not Muslim, but having traveled to a Muslim country where I dressed in hijab and abaya, I can say that I was actually cooler than I would have been with the sun on exposed skin.


Then why aren't the men dressed like that too, so that they too can be so comfortable?


Devout Muslim men typically are covered. I actually find it odd that the men in the family you saw were so exposed. My childhood Muslim guy friend and his Dad would never have been without a t-shirt on the beach.


Then the women can wear t-shirts too, instead of a whole freakin' wrapped-up deal. Good to know.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:21     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable. The guys looked like they were having a blast.



I'm not Muslim, but having traveled to a Muslim country where I dressed in hijab and abaya, I can say that I was actually cooler than I would have been with the sun on exposed skin.


A hat works the same way.

Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:19     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:I'm not Muslim, but I have two close friends who are Muslim so I cringe when I hear anti-Islam hate speech. I suspect that it is born of ignorance and fear. I didn't hear as much before Gulf War I.


In the 90s, how many people were all over the internet? How much did the general public know (or care to know) about Islam? Certainly, the Gulf War opened up that door, but the internet exposed the public to new information.

I can attempt to find a credible source explaining the quran to me and walk away with a new understanding of Islam.

Imagine how Islam would have been received in the 50s when not even blacks and women had rights. But now that's it's somewhat mainstream, people are forming opinions about it and questioning how a "holy text" can have so much influence over a supposedly educated group.

Don't be dense.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:15     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
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Didn't Christians mass murder heretics by burning them at the stake?



No.

The Spanish Inquisition executed fewer than 4,000 people in 350 years. Hardly mass murder. Stalin, Mao, and other atheistic liberal heroes would regard 4,000 deaths in one day as evidence of insufficient revolutionary zeal on the part of their executioners.


Yeah, except the only heretics murdered weren't just put to death by the spanish inquisition. It happened all over Europe. Edward the viii used it as a pretext to divorce his wife; by heheading her for heresy.


Edward VIII abdicated the throne and was succeeded by his brother, George VI, the current queen's father.

HENRY VIII divorced his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, and married Anne Boleyn, who was later beheaded for treason, as it was falsely "proven" she had cheated on him with other men (who were also beheaded). He married 4 more times.

Good lord, learn some basic history before trying to spout off about it,
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:13     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
1. The hijab helps others to distinguish who's a believer and who's not. Why then should that matter in the eyes of God whether others know my belief system? This is essentially saying that God is fine if we judge each other. divisive? I'd say yes.

2. Women are less likely to ogle than men are. I love this. Because men have uncontrollable urges, rather than force them to control those urges, we force women to wear oppressive items of clothing. Only the woman's husband, brother, sons, grandsons and nephews can see her breasts (covered obviously).

3. Men can walk around without a shirt, yet can't wear gold and silk. (b/c gold and silk are flashy on men? draw attention to them?)


I appreciate the effort you put into your posts, but in 2014, I certainly put no faith in the "wisdom" found in an ancient text.




Ok, let me clarify it a bit. Niqab(face cover) is not a requirement in Islam , hijab (headscarf) is a requirement. In the Qur’an, the direct commandment for post-pubescent women to cover their hair and neck is i:

"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters sons, or their women..."

You can also read the other verse about the same point, which is verse number 59 in Surah 33. It may be translated as:
{O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them [when they go abroad]. That will be better, that so they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.}

This indicates that one of the reasons for hijab is to distinguish the believing woman from the non-believing. This relates to your second question concerning the logic behind hijab.

It is true that men don’t have to cover their heads, but there is a dress code for them, as well. Men must at least be covered from the navel to the knees with loose fitting clothing. The rules for men are different because women are less likely to ogle men than the other way around. Men also shouldn't cut their beards.

the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said:"These two [gold and silk] are forbidden for the males of my ummah and permissible for the females.” so Muslim Men can't wear silk or gold. So yeh the freeing of the ego is both for men & women but of course men and women will have a different dress code, just like in any normal society, a man covering his head would not do anything as far as modesty is concerned. Throughout history, in every society, honorable women did cover their head, for ex in Arabia, before Islam women of high lineage covered their heads, only servants woke around with bare heads . Besides following modest dress codes appropriate to the different natures of a man and woman, both Muslim men and women should abide by a certain modest and respectful code of conduct.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:12     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
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Anonymous wrote:I am not anti-Islam.

I just want Muslims to stay in their own countries and not come here. Nothing good comes of it when they do.


Silly and misguided.

Most Muslims who live here were born here. So they likely will stay in their country. The US.

Up to a third of the slaves were Muslim. They built this country that you enjoy.


Do you have a site for this? I have never read that before. I have heard several hundred but not A third. Where did you read that statistic?


It's in multiple places. Some say 10-15%. Some say 25-30% of African slaves were Muslim.

http://www.tolerance.org/publication/american-muslims-united-states

http://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/islam-in-america/

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/afammuslims.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-muslims-in-america/2011/03/30/AFePWOIC_story.html

http://nyupress.org/books/book-details.aspx?bookId=11900#.U-F0r_ldWLE


While we're on the subject of Islam and slavery, did you know that the Islamic slave trade was extremely brutal and genocidal, and enslaved even more Africans than the transatlantic slave trade? Millions died when they were forced to walk across the Sahara. THAT was the actual genocide and mass atrocity that occurred during medieval times, not anything the Catholic Church did.

And where does slavery still exist today? Yes, in Muslim countries!

But yaaaay, Islam is all enlightened or something.

Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:12     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable. The guys looked like they were having a blast.



I'm not Muslim, but having traveled to a Muslim country where I dressed in hijab and abaya, I can say that I was actually cooler than I would have been with the sun on exposed skin.


Then why aren't the men dressed like that too, so that they too can be so comfortable?


Devout Muslim men typically are covered. I actually find it odd that the men in the family you saw were so exposed. My childhood Muslim guy friend and his Dad would never have been without a t-shirt on the beach.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:08     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:I am not anti-Islam.

I just want Muslims to stay in their own countries and not come here. Nothing good comes of it when they do.


+1

Scandinavia is finding this out, sadly.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:05     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable. The guys looked like they were having a blast.



I'm not Muslim, but having traveled to a Muslim country where I dressed in hijab and abaya, I can say that I was actually cooler than I would have been with the sun on exposed skin.


Then why aren't the men dressed like that too, so that they too can be so comfortable?
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:05     Subject: Re:If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
The Christian view on this comment from one of the preceding posters:

It is true that men don’t have to cover their heads, but there is a dress code for them, as well. Men must at least be covered from the navel to the knees with loose fitting clothing. The rules for men are different because women are less likely to ogle men than the other way around. Men also shouldn't cut their beards.

According to Our Lord:

If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. Matthew 5:29-30

Here we see that it is the responsibility of each individual (male or female) to control his or her own urges. If I am "ogling" a member of the opposite sex, I need to work on myself, not expect the object of my ogling to fix him or herself.

I pray for all of us that, with the Lord's help, we can take responsibility for our own actions.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 08:04     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:
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Didn't Christians mass murder heretics by burning them at the stake?



No.

The Spanish Inquisition executed fewer than 4,000 people in 350 years. Hardly mass murder. Stalin, Mao, and other atheistic liberal heroes would regard 4,000 deaths in one day as evidence of insufficient revolutionary zeal on the part of their executioners.
I bet they admired the Christians who managed to wipe out whole tribes all over the Americas.


Bzzzzt. The Church advocated - and actually practiced - kindness towards the indigenous people.

Try again, Christianophobe.
Anonymous
Post 08/06/2014 07:59     Subject: If you or someone you know is anti-Islam, Why?
Anonymous wrote:I just hink of our trip to Hawaii, sitting on a beach next to a muslim family. The husband and sons were enjoying the beach in their biard shorts. The wife and daughters were covered nearly head to toe in heavy black, long sleeves, heavy head scarf, sweltering in the July sun.

Sitting on a beach in the middle of paradise, those poor ladies looked sweaty and miserable. The guys looked like they were having a blast.



I'm not Muslim, but having traveled to a Muslim country where I dressed in hijab and abaya, I can say that I was actually cooler than I would have been with the sun on exposed skin.