Anonymous
06/12/2014 13:16
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Orchestra musician (unless you're a star solo performer).
Anonymous
06/12/2014 11:44
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FBI
CIA
Except isn't that one of those jobs you can't tell anyone about? Is it still prestigious if no one knows? (If a tree falls in the woods with no one there to hear, does it make a noise, lol?)
I guess the most prestigious jobs there are secretive but some people who work there are allowed to tell people something about what they do. I know someone who openly works as an analyst there.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 11:38
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FBI
CIA
Except isn't that one of those jobs you can't tell anyone about? Is it still prestigious if no one knows? (If a tree falls in the woods with no one there to hear, does it make a noise, lol?)
I have a friend whose DH works for the CIA. When he leaves the house, she doesn't know if he'll come home from work that night or not, whether he'll be going to the office or flying somewhere outside the country. So we know he works there, it's prestigious, we just don't know where he is.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 11:34
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:FBI
CIA
Except isn't that one of those jobs you can't tell anyone about? Is it still prestigious if no one knows? (If a tree falls in the woods with no one there to hear, does it make a noise, lol?)
Anonymous
06/12/2014 10:25
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For lawyers, they are DOJ jobs.
LOL no. the average lawyer is doing doc review or working shitlaw for 45-55k. DOJ is hitting the lottery, salary wise.
Yeah well the average lawyer capable of getting a DOJ job isn't look at that or doc review jobs as the alternative, sorry. You're comparing apples and oranges there.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 10:24
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:FBI
CIA
Anonymous
06/12/2014 10:21
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For lawyers, they are DOJ jobs.
Lateral attorneys at DOJ with only a few years experience easily make six figure salaries. Based on recent numbers I saw in a job listing for the Civil Rights Division, with only four years experience, a newly hired lateral attorney at DOJ could have a starting salary of $120k. Does this really count as "low-paying"? Even if it's a lot less than a big-firm lawyer would make, those lawyers are already the exception rather than the rule in the legal profession.
Yes, it counts as low paying because the person in question a.) has an advanced degree, b.) paid a lot of money for said degree (so likely has loans), and c.) could make more $ in the private sector. This goes for physicians too. So can we please stop talking about whether 100-150k is low paid or not? It is for the purpose of this discussion.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 09:23
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe not exactly a "prestige job" but highly respected:
Staff Psychologist within the counseling center of an elite University. The work is very rewarding. Everyone has an advanced level degree, in most cases a doctorate. Looks great on a resume. Pay is crap, though. Salaries start at 40-60k and rarely climb above $80k.The saving grace is that the hours typically aren't bad so many of us supplement with private practice.
How is this highly respected, exactly? I work at a university and I don't even have a clue how many/who the counselors are.
I think it may be respected in your circle, but that's not at all a "prestige" job.
Um, okay. I didn't say it was a prestige job. I guess I naively assumed that a job requiring a PhD that entails years of clinical training would be highly respected. Guess you told me otherwise. Good to know.
I'm a psychologist (PhD), too, and thanks to the APA, respect for the profession has really eroded. And it's hard to argue with that when anyone can become a "psychologist."
Really? Anyone can become a psychologist? Not to derail this thread but that's hardly true. But thanks for undermining the profession even further with hyperbolic generalities.
PhD poster is not me (PP who responded that I work at a university here).
You seem awfully bent out of shape for someone in the mental health field. I didn't say it wasn't a valuable profession (neither did PhD PP), but that it's not a prestige profession. It's not a profession people pursue to brag about, in other words.
You might want to sit down with one of your colleagues to talk through what is bothering you so much that you are overreacting to comments on the internet with catastrophizing and negative assumptions.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 09:16
Subject: Re:s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:I'm sure there are people who will disagree, but I think the APA has done psychologists an enormous disservice by accrediting lousy diploma mills (schools of "professional psychology") that have very little quality control for faculty or students. So, they churn out people who are ill-qualified for the profession, which gives us all a bad name. Don't get me wrong, I think there are excellent psychologists out there, and I'm proud to be a psychologist. It's just that decent clinical psych programs are highly selective for a reason, i.e., it takes more than intellectual ability to be a good psychologist, at least those of us who provide psychotherapy.
That, and the APA has consistently refused to repudiate the use of torture in prisoner interrogations. That's a worse sin, but not one that's gotten much attention. So, yeah, not a fan of the APA here.
I knew one of those. He had a GED + this degree. As a psychologist he was completely juvenile as well as always stoned, and sounded like he dropped out of HS, which he did. I finally figured this out. He was the husband od an acquaintance. Wow, they let him treat patients???
Of course, the worst part of it is the shoddy patient care. If people want to rack up debt, that's their business, but when it comes down to how well (or not) patients are treated? Potentially very harmful. I know in Maryland at least, people with degrees from non-APA accredited programs can't become licensed as psychologists, and that's probably true of many other states. But there are folks who are licensed as, say, counselors, and then get a "PhD" from an online program, and then bill themselves as Dr., even though it's unethical (and probably illegal) to do so.
Can you tell I have strong feelings about this issue?
Anonymous
06/12/2014 08:39
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
I have a friend - Yale law grad - who is a Federal public defender. Definitely lower pay than he would get for some firm, but probably way more professionally challenging and satisfying than doing transactions or trying to help corporations screw the little people all day.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 08:17
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For lawyers, they are DOJ jobs.
LOL no. the average lawyer is doing doc review or working shitlaw for 45-55k. DOJ is hitting the lottery, salary wise.
The average lawyer who can't secure a job in the private sector making more than 55k would never, ever be able to get hired by DOJ. That's the point. If you can get hired by DOJ, you could be making way more money in the private sector. But most DOJ litigating components and USAOs are more prestigious than those private sector jobs making more money.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 08:14
Subject: Re:s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
I'm sure there are people who will disagree, but I think the APA has done psychologists an enormous disservice by accrediting lousy diploma mills (schools of "professional psychology") that have very little quality control for faculty or students. So, they churn out people who are ill-qualified for the profession, which gives us all a bad name. Don't get me wrong, I think there are excellent psychologists out there, and I'm proud to be a psychologist. It's just that decent clinical psych programs are highly selective for a reason, i.e., it takes more than intellectual ability to be a good psychologist, at least those of us who provide psychotherapy.
That, and the APA has consistently refused to repudiate the use of torture in prisoner interrogations. That's a worse sin, but not one that's gotten much attention. So, yeah, not a fan of the APA here.
I knew one of those. He had a GED + this degree. As a psychologist he was completely juvenile as well as always stoned, and sounded like he dropped out of HS, which he did. I finally figured this out. He was the husband od an acquaintance. Wow, they let him treat patients???
Anonymous
06/12/2014 08:09
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe not exactly a "prestige job" but highly respected:
Staff Psychologist within the counseling center of an elite University. The work is very rewarding. Everyone has an advanced level degree, in most cases a doctorate. Looks great on a resume. Pay is crap, though. Salaries start at 40-60k and rarely climb above $80k.The saving grace is that the hours typically aren't bad so many of us supplement with private practice.
How is this highly respected, exactly? I work at a university and I don't even have a clue how many/who the counselors are.
I think it may be respected in your circle, but that's not at all a "prestige" job.
Um, okay. I didn't say it was a prestige job. I guess I naively assumed that a job requiring a PhD that entails years of clinical training would be highly respected. Guess you told me otherwise. Good to know.
I'm a psychologist (PhD), too, and thanks to the APA, respect for the profession has really eroded. And it's hard to argue with that when anyone can become a "psychologist."
Really? Anyone can become a psychologist? Not to derail this thread but that's hardly true. But thanks for undermining the profession even further with hyperbolic generalities.
Are you also the "Um, okay," poster? If so, you really come off like a jerk with a chip on your shoulder.
+100 Also the $100K -is-a- lot- of- money-cause-I-make-$30K poster
Anonymous
06/12/2014 08:08
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Ha ha, no, doj is not a low paying prestige job. For lawyers low paying prestige would be something like an aclu staff ayyorney or other public interest. i know lawyers earning 50-70k max who are making supreme court oral arguments.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 07:57
Subject: s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs
Museum curator: $50-90, even with a ph.d. More if you get to become chief curator/head of a department.