Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone on this thread thinks their kid has a higher intelligence than average. Like Lake Wobegon.

If you have actual IQ test scores, it's not a matter of "thinking."

Questions like this interest me because I am from a huge family where all the kids are fairly different from one another. We were raised in the same environment, same parents, but ranged from exceptionally advanced (perfect SAT score) to one who had to repeat a year and got by with a C average.

And I second the posters who discuss the importance of executive function, organizational and leadership skills. Add to that good mental & emotional health. My sibling with the perfect SAT score is not doing much with his life because he can't cope with any kind of high pressure job. Other siblings with ADHD stuck in their professional life.

Give me the organizational & executive function & emotional & leadership skills any day over extremely high IQ.

I love these conversations. DH and I are extremely accomplished. Adopted a child. Great kid, given every advantage academically, did really well in ES and MS. We took partial credit for his performance. Also very socially adept and athletic so we exposed him to sports.
Fast forward: in hs. Still very social and athletic. It's as though his brain has stopped growing. Concrete thinker. Gentleman C with private tutors in rigorous private school. Had him tested for LD. Nope. Double digit IQ, poor WM, slow processing speed. Still a great kid but we are really scratching our heads on how to support his dream of a private 4 yr small school for a bachelor s. Knowing what I do now about his intellect, I can't imagine he will pass classes.
Guess my points in this thread are:
You really can't judge your kid s intellect by ES and MS performance.
You really can't judge your kid s functioning in society and in school by IQ and other standardized tests(my bro and I got 300s and 400s on saT s and we are a doc and a lawyer, respectively)
My advise? Don't count on academics alone for your kid s success. Make sure he has other things in which to excel: arts, music, sports, EQ (translates to success in the workplace)

Excuse IPhone typos. And please be nice.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: So if straight IQ is genetic... then when both parents have high IQs, doesn't it make sense that they assume their child will have a high IQ and make educational plans accordingly?

Not necessary. The gene expression is more complicated.

Yep. DH and I are both very bright. We have one high IQ child and one who falls in the average range . We haven't planned differently for hem. What do folks propose we do differently for each of them? I'm having trouble unrest dig exactly what extra planning a high IQ child needs.

Anonymous wrote:OP: So if straight IQ is genetic... then when both parents have high IQs, doesn't it make sense that they assume their child will have a high IQ and make educational plans accordingly?

Not necessary. The gene expression is more complicated.

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Stephen Jay Gould wrote The Mismeasure of Man in 1981. I haven't seen anything to persuade me that he was wrong.

So there's 43 years of research in IQ that you haven't read and you're bitching at the people on this thread?

Any suggestions?

Also, 2014-1981 = 33.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone on this thread thinks their kid has a higher intelligence than average. Like Lake Wobegon.

I can't believe anybody is still taking IQ testing/scoring seriously...

I can't believe people are pooh-poohing IQ away. It is robust and well established.

Except for the part where it isn't.

Stephen Jay Gould wrote The Mismeasure of Man in 1981. I haven't seen anything to persuade me that he was wrong.

So there's 43 years of research in IQ that you haven't read and you're bitching at the people on this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone on this thread thinks their kid has a higher intelligence than average. Like Lake Wobegon.

I can't believe anybody is still taking IQ testing/scoring seriously...

I can't believe people are pooh-poohing IQ away. It is robust and well established.

Except for the part where it isn't.

Stephen Jay Gould wrote The Mismeasure of Man in 1981. I haven't seen anything to persuade me that he was wrong.

Anonymous wrote:regression to the mean- I've never heard of reversion to the mean.
IQ is heritable and genetic. I say this as an intelligent woman with an intelligent son-- don't underestimate the power of strong executive function. I've seen some people who I frankly do not think are as smart as I am get further professionally and even academically- focus, hard work, organizational skills, and leadership skills can take a person far in life.

I wanted to follow this up- we were at the library this week and I saw a kid (he looked around nine) being tutored for reading. From what I could see, without blatant eavesdropping, he was attentive and mature. No, I don't know why he was having difficulties with a basic skill, but I was so impressed with his behavior. My own son who has had no discernible academic struggles, falls apart when he doesn't instantly comprehend. I belong to a couple of forums for gifted kids- it seems to be common for high intellect children to get easily frustrated by mistakes and challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone on this thread thinks their kid has a higher intelligence than average. Like Lake Wobegon.

I can't believe anybody is still taking IQ testing/scoring seriously...

I can't believe people are pooh-poohing IQ away. It is robust and well established.

Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone on this thread thinks their kid has a higher intelligence than average. Like Lake Wobegon.

I can't believe anybody is still taking IQ testing/scoring seriously...

Anonymous wrote:Some studies suggest that the increased mating of high IQ peers (it happened less in the past) is in part contributing to higher incidence if autism. Siblings of science/math majors are more likely to have autism, for example. Too much IQ can be bad for you.

It's not IQ, it's very specific skills, e.g., affinity for engineering and/or math. That's not IQ.

Some studies suggest that the increased mating of high IQ peers (it happened less in the past) is in part contributing to higher incidence if autism. Siblings of science/math majors are more likely to have autism, for example. Too much IQ can be bad for you.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: So if straight IQ is genetic... then when both parents have high IQs, doesn't it make sense that they assume their child will have a high IQ and make educational plans accordingly?

What kind of plans?

With kids, you get what you get. Two highly intelligent parents may or may not have a highly intelligent child.

If straight intelligence is genetic, which is certainly appears to be, then two highly intelligent parents will have a highly intelligent child (barring illness, head injury or gestational issues, of course).

Plans like finding the best educated nanny, the more advanced preschool programs, and saving money for both. Maybe moving to the best area for the schools prior to the child's birth.

Here's what I am getting at - it just seems to me that highly intelligent parents are seen as pushy or presumptuous when they even try to quietly make plans for their child's future.

High IQ does not mean high interest in school, good social skills, ability to get along with others, patience, perseverance, etc. If anything, one should plan to focus more on those soft skills than academics, since academics will take care of themselves.

Funny how everyone on this thread thinks their kid has a higher intelligence than average. Like Lake Wobegon.