Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 21:40     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
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The Holocaust


Was this done in the name of God? I don't think so.


Actually it was and the Church sanctioned it. Didn't the late Pope John II apologize for it on behalf of the Church.


It was not. Get your facts straight please. Hitler was motivated by creating a world with only Arian people left in it.

Correct. A new world order for the master race. Others did not need to exist.
They did not invent the doctrine. Eugenics they got from America, concetration camps had already been used previously by the Brittish. Americans had a system of discrmination based on race. The swastika was a hindu symbol that predates them.

Jews who had changed their religion were not spared.And they were not the only targets
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 21:01     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
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Anonymous wrote:To the people saying the Holocaust was religiously motivated: Do your research.
Yes the church participated. So did the entire country of Germany. Companies, private people, the church, everybody...that does NOT make it religiously motivated. You are sounding ridiculous if you keep making this argument, it is simply false.

And either way, this argument is invalid. Just because others do bad things does not make the bad things your religion does any better. Stop arguing that way! The only way you will ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of people criticizing Islam is if you ACCEPT what's wrong with your religion and try to fix it. As long as you pretend everything's fine you will simply see eye rolling, shaking heads, people shrugging and turning away from you.


I am not Muslim. I was raised a Southern Baptist. If you PP and others continue to deny atrocities committed in the name and/or guise of Christianity, how can you ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of others who don't believe as you.


Not the PP you're talking to, but ... this is a thread on Islam. Why are you trying to turn it into yet another anti-Christian bash-fest? I don't care, and I'd even encourage you to go start your own thread, but can you at least keep the anti-Christian stuff out of this Islam thread?

Also, PP has a point: if we're discussing Islam, it's besides the point to bring up atrocities committed in the name of Christianity or Judaism. Or Atheism, hello. Focus, people!
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 20:50     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:To the people saying the Holocaust was religiously motivated: Do your research.
Yes the church participated. So did the entire country of Germany. Companies, private people, the church, everybody...that does NOT make it religiously motivated. You are sounding ridiculous if you keep making this argument, it is simply false.

And either way, this argument is invalid. Just because others do bad things does not make the bad things your religion does any better. Stop arguing that way! The only way you will ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of people criticizing Islam is if you ACCEPT what's wrong with your religion and try to fix it. As long as you pretend everything's fine you will simply see eye rolling, shaking heads, people shrugging and turning away from you.


I am not Muslim. I was raised a Southern Baptist. If you PP and others continue to deny atrocities committed in the name and/or guise of Christianity, how can you ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of others who don't believe as you.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 20:46     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:To the people saying the Holocaust was religiously motivated: Do your research.
Yes the church participated. So did the entire country of Germany. Companies, private people, the church, everybody...that does NOT make it religiously motivated. You are sounding ridiculous if you keep making this argument, it is simply false.

And either way, this argument is invalid. Just because others do bad things does not make the bad things your religion does any better. Stop arguing that way! The only way you will ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of people criticizing Islam is if you ACCEPT what's wrong with your religion and try to fix it. As long as you pretend everything's fine you will simply see eye rolling, shaking heads, people shrugging and turning away from you.


Okay, if you say so, It must be right. Got It!
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 20:44     Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous[b wrote:]Yeah, the last time people killed in the name of Christianity (and only to my knowledge) were the crusades (against islam).

So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.

Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.


Are you forgetting the Orthodox Serbs of the 1990s? Or, The Rwandan Holocaust of the 1990's. I know people want to chalk these up as ethnic wars, but those atrocities fell along religious lines and it was the Christian doing the killing. Look, just admit it. All the religions have their fanatical murdering followers. You can find the beauty in every religion, but they all have that festering maddening evil, if one does not conform.

Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 20:22     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
To the people saying the Holocaust was religiously motivated: Do your research.
Yes the church participated. So did the entire country of Germany. Companies, private people, the church, everybody...that does NOT make it religiously motivated. You are sounding ridiculous if you keep making this argument, it is simply false.

And either way, this argument is invalid. Just because others do bad things does not make the bad things your religion does any better. Stop arguing that way! The only way you will ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of people criticizing Islam is if you ACCEPT what's wrong with your religion and try to fix it. As long as you pretend everything's fine you will simply see eye rolling, shaking heads, people shrugging and turning away from you.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 20:17     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The Holocaust


Was this done in the name of God? I don't think so.


Actually it was and the Church sanctioned it. Didn't the late Pope John II apologize for it on behalf of the Church.


It was not. Get your facts straight please. Hitler was motivated by creating a world with only Arian people left in it.


You are free to ignore the truth if it makes you feel better. However, there are enough studies written that evidence the Protestant and catholic chi ur he's collaborations in what they did and failed to do in the 1933-45 Holocaust.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 20:03     Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the last time people killed in the name of Christianity (and only to my knowledge) were the crusades (against islam).

So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.

Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.


No, the Bible says it. You can keep ignoring it, it won't change the facts!

http://www.latintimes.com/1500-year-old-bible-discovered-turkey-indicates-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-171471

A 1500-year-old bible has been discovered in Turkey. Discovered in 2000, the book that contains purportedly the Gospel of Barnabas has been transferred by the Turkish government to the Ethnography Museum of Ankara with a police escort. Barnabas was a disciple of Christ, and in the work, claims that Jesus was not crucified, instead it says he ascended to heaven alive and Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place. Furthermore, the 1500-year-old bible states that Jesus Christ was not the son of God, but simply a prophet who passed on the word of God.


Yawn. Another "found" source. There seems to be about one of these per year, and eventually they are all shown to be frauds. This one was found in Muslim Turkey, no less, plus it dates from 500 years after Christ. Yawn.

Dear Muslim Woman: if you want people to respect your religion, you need to respect others' religions (including refraining from inflammatory statements involving obvious BS.) Also, you need to be more honest: some of us could take on your statements above about, for example, jihad and woman in the Quran, but we 're leaving it alone. There's a bad taste, though, because you're presenting a very incomplete view of your own religion even as you trash other peoples' religions.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 17:56     Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the last time people killed in the name of Christianity (and only to my knowledge) were the crusades (against islam).

So many people kill in the name of islam, and the faith as a whole is doing nothing about it. I know it's a small percentage, but I am sure only a small percentage of the KKK has killed people, but I'm not about to become a member of that organization either. The point is, as long as this behaviour has a basis in the Quran, it sort of invalidates the religion as a whole IMO. They need a council of nicea of sorts to address this issue once and for all and to have an official proclamation on their beliefs with regard to all of the various types of human rights violations (and deaths) in the name of islam.

Plus, the Quran flat out says the crucifixion was fabricated and is a lie. Even christianity doesn't say to judaism part of their religion is B.S. Again, this to me invalidates the whole Quran.


No, the Bible says it. You can keep ignoring it, it won't change the facts!

http://www.latintimes.com/1500-year-old-bible-discovered-turkey-indicates-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-171471

A 1500-year-old bible has been discovered in Turkey. Discovered in 2000, the book that contains purportedly the Gospel of Barnabas has been transferred by the Turkish government to the Ethnography Museum of Ankara with a police escort. Barnabas was a disciple of Christ, and in the work, claims that Jesus was not crucified, instead it says he ascended to heaven alive and Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place. Furthermore, the 1500-year-old bible states that Jesus Christ was not the son of God, but simply a prophet who passed on the word of God.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 17:52     Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The US has killed more Muslims over the past 30 years than all terrorist attacks COMBINED

If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period. 

In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" so don't come here looking

Not in the name of religion, and if is WAS in the name of religion, I CERTAINLY would not be a member.


Do you have issues understanding that Terrorism is political and not religious? What part of that don't you understand?


Keep pretending. As long as people keep pretending terrorism is not religiously motivated Islam will get NO WHERE when it comes to being respected and accepted in the modern world.


Ughh, yes that is why it is the FASTEST growing religion in the world, Uhm okay
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 14:48     Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The US has killed more Muslims over the past 30 years than all terrorist attacks COMBINED

If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period. 

In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" so don't come here looking

Not in the name of religion, and if is WAS in the name of religion, I CERTAINLY would not be a member.


Do you have issues understanding that Terrorism is political and not religious? What part of that don't you understand?


Keep pretending. As long as people keep pretending terrorism is not religiously motivated Islam will get NO WHERE when it comes to being respected and accepted in the modern world.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 14:48     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People are tortured and killed daily in the name of Allah. As long as that is going on Muslim religion will be viewed as it presents itself in the public.


If you're ignorant, yea, otherwise you will use your critical mind


If you are going to try and tell me that people are not tortured and killed in the name of Allah every day that's all I need to know in order to judge you.


So, can I judge Christians, because

Pograms
The Holocaust
Srebrenica
The "Troubles" in Ireland
Anti-abortion violence

and much more.


Oh look, another one of those "Other people do this and this bad stuff, so my bad stuff is just fine for me to do."

The Holocaust and the pogroms were not religiously motivated by the way. Yes, Jews were killed, but the reason there were killed was not because of their religion. It was because of their ethnicity. It was ethnically motivated (the supreme white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes race...)


So, blonde, blue-eyed Jews were not slaughtered?
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 14:47     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The Holocaust


Was this done in the name of God? I don't think so.


Actually it was and the Church sanctioned it. Didn't the late Pope John II apologize for it on behalf of the Church.


It was not. Get your facts straight please. Hitler was motivated by creating a world with only Arian people left in it.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 14:46     Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
The Holocaust


Was this done in the name of God? I don't think so.


Actually it was and the Church sanctioned it. Didn't the late Pope John II apologize for it on behalf of the Church.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2014 14:41     Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The US has killed more Muslims over the past 30 years than all terrorist attacks COMBINED

If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period. 

In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" so don't come here looking

Not in the name of religion, and if is WAS in the name of religion, I CERTAINLY would not be a member.


Do you have issues understanding that Terrorism is political and not religious? What part of that don't you understand?