Anonymous
06/27/2014 12:10
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ well I'm starting to see why some posters are so critical of the program. Obviously it's not for the really advanced anymore.
Nice try, you sad troll. Test scores are just one or two data points, important and objective, but not the whole picture and were provided in direct response to thread's question w/o a lot of exclamations and excitement.
Parents who did post - thanks for meaningfully contributing to the forum.
huh? FSIQ of 123 and GBRS 12 or 13 is gifted now? I'm not a troll, in fact have relentlessly defended the program against the couple of critics who keep arguing it has spiraled out of control, but when you see data like this you understand their argument.
BUT it's not a gifted program. Its Advanced Academics, to respond to the last few posters, why not put your child in AAP if they can do the work?? Your problem should be with the system, not with the parents who know their children can do AAP and work within the system to get them into it. It's not these parents' fault that the county did away with GT and decided to include more kids. Sometimes I have to wonder why some parents DON'T try to get their kids in.
true, I agree with that. My comments above were just expressing surprise the admissions committee seems to have considerably softened the requirements for admission compared to even a few years ago.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 12:02
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
11:59 here. One more thing to add. We are at a well-attended Local Level IV school. I should have said it makes a big difference if there is Local Level IV or not. With LLIV, I say shame on parents if they complain about how bad the AAP system is but don't try to get their kids in. LLIV does not require moving schools.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 11:59
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ well I'm starting to see why some posters are so critical of the program. Obviously it's not for the really advanced anymore.
Nice try, you sad troll. Test scores are just one or two data points, important and objective, but not the whole picture and were provided in direct response to thread's question w/o a lot of exclamations and excitement.
Parents who did post - thanks for meaningfully contributing to the forum.
huh? FSIQ of 123 and GBRS 12 or 13 is gifted now? I'm not a troll, in fact have relentlessly defended the program against the couple of critics who keep arguing it has spiraled out of control, but when you see data like this you understand their argument.
BUT it's not a gifted program. Its Advanced Academics, to respond to the last few posters, why not put your child in AAP if they can do the work?? Your problem should be with the system, not with the parents who know their children can do AAP and work within the system to get them into it. It's not these parents' fault that the county did away with GT and decided to include more kids. Sometimes I have to wonder why some parents DON'T try to get their kids in.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 11:55
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Again, some posters are providing data, other posters are posting critique and opinion. There are 129+ elementary schools in the county and yes, would like to see all students challenged to the meet their educational potential.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 11:46
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Agree with PP.
Ten work samples, really? Getting 3s and 4s. Sounds like a kid who really needs a special education program to bring out the best in them. NOT!
I'm not attacking you, because you worked within the system. And I appreciate your honesty and courage in posting actual scores. But a system that allows people who push hard to get their kids into AAP because basically "they can do the work," is a farce. How many similarly intelligent kids have been left behind in general ed. That's the dirty secret. That's what's wrong with this program. And I say that as a parent who had a kid in AAP. But I also had kids in Gen. Ed. who had higher scores than those you appealed with (one with a 15 GBRS) and they did just fine in their local elementary school. This is where AAP will ultimately collapse on itself. Either the curriculum should be offered to all kids at a certain level or many kids are not receiving the education they deserve. Too many people are okay with that as long as they get theirs. That is no way to run a public school system.
Ten work samples, really? Getting 3s and 4s. Sounds like a kid who really needs a special education program to bring out the best in them. NOT!
I'm not attacking you, because you worked within the system. And I appreciate your honesty and courage in posting actual scores. But a system that allows people who push hard to get their kids into AAP because basically "they can do the work," is a farce. How many similarly intelligent kids have been left behind in general ed. That's the dirty secret. That's what's wrong with this program. And I say that as a parent who had a kid in AAP. But I also had kids in Gen. Ed. who had higher scores than those you appealed with (one with a 15 GBRS) and they did just fine in their local elementary school. This is where AAP will ultimately collapse on itself. Either the curriculum should be offered to all kids at a certain level or many kids are not receiving the education they deserve. Too many people are okay with that as long as they get theirs. That is no way to run a public school system.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:48
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ well I'm starting to see why some posters are so critical of the program. Obviously it's not for the really advanced anymore.
Nice try, you sad troll. Test scores are just one or two data points, important and objective, but not the whole picture and were provided in direct response to thread's question w/o a lot of exclamations and excitement.
Parents who did post - thanks for meaningfully contributing to the forum.
huh? FSIQ of 123 and GBRS 12 or 13 is gifted now? I'm not a troll, in fact have relentlessly defended the program against the couple of critics who keep arguing it has spiraled out of control, but when you see data like this you understand their argument.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:45
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:If you're pro-AAP do you think the program is watered down by high-average students like the above?
No - they have been going to school with these kids for the first 3 years of ES.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:43
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Received letters today for my 2 children - both IN. Letters dated June 20; envelopes postmarked June 25.
Child 1 (rising 4th grader - did not refer last year bc didn't think she was ready, but she did exceptionally well this year in Level III):
VCI 121
PRI 123
WMI 102
PSI 121
FSIQ 123
GBRS 13
Child 2 (rising 3rd grader)
VCI 126
PRI 123
WMI 113
PSI 109
FSIQ 124
GBRS 12
I'm the poster of the above. I was VERY hesitant to post the scores bc I knew there would be negative reactions to my kids' WISC scores - and who wants to hear that? But I decided to post bc I I knew not everyone's kids were getting 130+ - those w/ lower scores were probably just scared to post bc of the inevitable mean comments. Would I suggest that your kid is inferior bc they got a low GBRS? Actually, no, I wouldn't. I know kids learn differently, test differently, behave differently. There is no formula for what makes a kid "it".
The AAP committee is not just looking at the test scores. Isn't that obvious when people write that their kid got a 140 on the WISC, but didn't get in?
Both of my kids have consistently been in the TOP word study and math groups. Their reports cards are mostly 4s, a few 3s - sometimes all 4s (the only 2 has been in organization for my older one). My older one was Level III this past year in 3rd grade (advanced math and reading) - her teacher has said she didn't understand why my daughter wasn't in AAP from the beginning (as mentioned above, we didn't refer last year bc we didn't think she was ready).
With both appeals, we included 10 work samples each (5 pages, 2 samples per page). These samples included advanced math word problems, poetry, simple machine blueprint, written responses to social studies exams, etc. We also included letters citing VERY specific examples of questions they asked us or their teachers, info they have told us, etc. Both appeals files were very strong and I would've been surprised if they hadn't been accepted.
So, to answer those who are questioning whether my kids (or other similarly scored kids) belong in AAP with their "low" scores of Superior, YES, they do. And the AAP committee obviously agrees.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply in responding to the original thread w/ a followup explanation. No need to justify yourself in responding to the trolls and haters - they are only too anxious to share their fully uninformed opinion on limited facts.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:38
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:^ well I'm starting to see why some posters are so critical of the program. Obviously it's not for the really advanced anymore.
Nice try, you sad troll. Test scores are just one or two data points, important and objective, but not the whole picture and were provided in direct response to thread's question w/o a lot of exclamations and excitement.
Parents who did post - thanks for meaningfully contributing to the forum.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:36
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Stanford Binet :140
GBRS:13
Grade: Rising Fourth Grader
AAP Appeal Decision : IN
Appeal Letter Dated : Jun 20th
Appeal Letter Rcvd: Jun 26th
Due Dt for form submission : Jun 30th
Due to our ignorance, we haven't referred our son for AAP in second grade nor we had him retake cogat in third grade.
We went directly for Referral in this Jan with Wisc and work samples.
Initial referral, he was rejected but talking to my son's classroom teacher and AART , we decided to appeal and he was accepted.
In appeal all we had were his new math and lego competitions certificates and a letter (Initial Referral has certificates standing first prize and more solid paperwork)
My guess, he was missed in initial screening and file was re looked which got him in.
We didn't go for WISC as we didn't get any appointments on time and afraid we might miss the opportunity again so went for SB.
GBRS:13
Grade: Rising Fourth Grader
AAP Appeal Decision : IN
Appeal Letter Dated : Jun 20th
Appeal Letter Rcvd: Jun 26th
Due Dt for form submission : Jun 30th
Due to our ignorance, we haven't referred our son for AAP in second grade nor we had him retake cogat in third grade.
We went directly for Referral in this Jan with Wisc and work samples.
Initial referral, he was rejected but talking to my son's classroom teacher and AART , we decided to appeal and he was accepted.
In appeal all we had were his new math and lego competitions certificates and a letter (Initial Referral has certificates standing first prize and more solid paperwork)
My guess, he was missed in initial screening and file was re looked which got him in.
We didn't go for WISC as we didn't get any appointments on time and afraid we might miss the opportunity again so went for SB.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:21
Subject: Re:2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
^ well I'm starting to see why some posters are so critical of the program. Obviously it's not for the really advanced anymore.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 10:18
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:Received letters today for my 2 children - both IN. Letters dated June 20; envelopes postmarked June 25.
Child 1 (rising 4th grader - did not refer last year bc didn't think she was ready, but she did exceptionally well this year in Level III):
VCI 121
PRI 123
WMI 102
PSI 121
FSIQ 123
GBRS 13
Child 2 (rising 3rd grader)
VCI 126
PRI 123
WMI 113
PSI 109
FSIQ 124
GBRS 12
I'm the poster of the above. I was VERY hesitant to post the scores bc I knew there would be negative reactions to my kids' WISC scores - and who wants to hear that? But I decided to post bc I I knew not everyone's kids were getting 130+ - those w/ lower scores were probably just scared to post bc of the inevitable mean comments. Would I suggest that your kid is inferior bc they got a low GBRS? Actually, no, I wouldn't. I know kids learn differently, test differently, behave differently. There is no formula for what makes a kid "it".
The AAP committee is not just looking at the test scores. Isn't that obvious when people write that their kid got a 140 on the WISC, but didn't get in?
Both of my kids have consistently been in the TOP word study and math groups. Their reports cards are mostly 4s, a few 3s - sometimes all 4s (the only 2 has been in organization for my older one). My older one was Level III this past year in 3rd grade (advanced math and reading) - her teacher has said she didn't understand why my daughter wasn't in AAP from the beginning (as mentioned above, we didn't refer last year bc we didn't think she was ready).
With both appeals, we included 10 work samples each (5 pages, 2 samples per page). These samples included advanced math word problems, poetry, simple machine blueprint, written responses to social studies exams, etc. We also included letters citing VERY specific examples of questions they asked us or their teachers, info they have told us, etc. Both appeals files were very strong and I would've been surprised if they hadn't been accepted.
So, to answer those who are questioning whether my kids (or other similarly scored kids) belong in AAP with their "low" scores of Superior, YES, they do. And the AAP committee obviously agrees.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 09:32
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
^ just trying to figure out the reactions to some of these scores.
Anonymous
06/27/2014 09:31
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
If you're pro-AAP do you think the program is watered down by high-average students like the above?
Anonymous
06/27/2014 09:28
Subject: 2014 AAP Appeal/WISC Scores
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Received letters today for my 2 children - both IN. Letters dated June 20; envelopes postmarked June 25.
Child 1 (rising 4th grader - did not refer last year bc didn't think she was ready, but she did exceptionally well this year in Level III):
VCI 121
PRI 123
WMI 102
PSI 121
FSIQ 123
GBRS 13
Child 2 (rising 3rd grader)
VCI 126
PRI 123
WMI 113
PSI 109
FSIQ 124
GBRS 12
Have to say, hard to see the argument for why either of these children NEED AAP. Agree with PP, scores don't seem to matter at all on appeals.
np here. So are you pro- or anti-AAP? I would think those opposing the elitism of AAP would be glad to see more kids with high-average scores being integrated into the program.