Anonymous
05/12/2014 12:02
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean think of it like this: where else can you fail at something and still be promoted and moved on as if nothing happened? At your job? In college? Driving test?
Do you seriously believe that these students are going to college? Social promotion is about keeping them from becoming dropouts altogether. Better to have an HS degree and a job at the post office than dealing drugs or stealing cars because you can't get any kind of legal job anywhere.
Problem is that the job at the Post Office does not exist anymore. There is a reason this is considered a national security risk.
What?! That's bullshit. Where do you live that you can't get postal delivery? I get crappy USPS delivery every single day. Usually they're lazy and either deliver all of my mail to my tenant or vice versa. My tenant is an English basement, so "mis-delivering" my mail allows them to not have to climb a half-flight of steps.
BTW, this is never a problem for Fedex or UPS (I've had to explain to my children that the handsome man in the brown truck is not "Black Santa"). We do love us some Amazon Prime.
Postal system has been cutting jobs for years, FedEx and UPS are not going to make up for it - that job option is dying in the era of electronic email, movies, streaming ect. The fact is that the number of lower mid level jobs are decreasing. Many are instead crappy minimum wage jobs that will never allow a person to improve themselves or require a lot more flexible mentality and education. That is the crisis that is why all this debate about education matters. A growing permanent underclass is never a good thing.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 23:11
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
high test scores + decent MS = almost impossible dream
Anonymous
05/11/2014 22:42
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean think of it like this: where else can you fail at something and still be promoted and moved on as if nothing happened? At your job? In college? Driving test?
Do you seriously believe that these students are going to college? Social promotion is about keeping them from becoming dropouts altogether. Better to have an HS degree and a job at the post office than dealing drugs or stealing cars because you can't get any kind of legal job anywhere.
Problem is that the job at the Post Office does not exist anymore. There is a reason this is considered a national security risk.
What?! That's bullshit. Where do you live that you can't get postal delivery? I get crappy USPS delivery every single day. Usually they're lazy and either deliver all of my mail to my tenant or vice versa. My tenant is an English basement, so "mis-delivering" my mail allows them to not have to climb a half-flight of steps.
BTW, this is never a problem for Fedex or UPS (I've had to explain to my children that the handsome man in the brown truck is not "Black Santa"). We do love us some Amazon Prime.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 21:09
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I mean think of it like this: where else can you fail at something and still be promoted and moved on as if nothing happened? At your job? In college? Driving test?
Do you seriously believe that these students are going to college? Social promotion is about keeping them from becoming dropouts altogether. Better to have an HS degree and a job at the post office than dealing drugs or stealing cars because you can't get any kind of legal job anywhere.
Problem is that the job at the Post Office does not exist anymore. There is a reason this is considered a national security risk.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 20:29
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:I mean think of it like this: where else can you fail at something and still be promoted and moved on as if nothing happened? At your job? In college? Driving test?
Do you seriously believe that these students are going to college? Social promotion is about keeping them from becoming dropouts altogether. Better to have an HS degree and a job at the post office than dealing drugs or stealing cars because you can't get any kind of legal job anywhere.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 20:20
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
I mean think of it like this: where else can you fail at something and still be promoted and moved on as if nothing happened? At your job? In college? Driving test?
Anonymous
05/11/2014 19:13
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:I think promoting students even if not proficient is a mistake. What are you teaching the student? It does not matter if you fail, you still get to pass go and collect $200? I do like the idea of math and test-in advanced math. If you promote non-proficient students then at least track them so every student is being met where they are. I think that would be common sense to place students according to their scores and abilities.
Agreed. I would like to say as a DCPS teacher I have no say on the social promotion of students below grade level. That all comes from admin.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 19:12
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The problem with this (and let me be clear that I 100% understand your frustration) is that the only thing worse than social promotion is not promoting kids socially. It's tragic when students graduate from HS and can barely read at a 4th grade level. However, it's even worse when they drop out. And being held back a year, not advancing with his (or her) peers is almost a guarantee that the student will drop out. A barely literate HS graduate can eventually get a job as a grocery checker or gas station attendant. Is it a path to college? No, but it's a job. A HS dropout is a criminal waiting to happen.
This isn't my opinion, this is reality.
This is true. I can see this could be happening, not for all Kramer "Below Basic " students , but for half of them (20-30 kids). And we do not want this to happen, for them and for us.
However social promotion needs to be accompanied by stronger safeguards for talented and dedicated kids such as honor classes.
None of us want our kids to commute 3 hours a day. The kids themselves do not want that. They are almost teenager and, as a difference from Elem. school, now they want to have a say about their schooling options.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 17:46
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
Anonymous wrote:I think promoting students even if not proficient is a mistake. What are you teaching the student? It does not matter if you fail, you still get to pass go and collect $200? I do like the idea of math and test-in advanced math. If you promote non-proficient students then at least track them so every student is being met where they are. I think that would be common sense to place students according to their scores and abilities.
I completely agree. And I hear people say that not promoting the student hurts the student. What about the rest of the kids who are properly promoted but are not taught at the proper grade level because so many kids are behind? This is a problem in my school.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 17:41
Subject: Not Ward 3 - What changes are you looking for so that you would want to attend local school
You need to help the student in the early years so that they become proficient when the testing arrives. Give them extra math and reading. Have a more intense after school program. Do more during summer. Get the students to do more online work at home. So much that can be offered.