Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 19:26     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I want Don and Peggy to hook up.


No! No!


Yeah, no. Something about that would feel very gross. Incestuous or something, she seems very daughterly in relation to him.


Agreed. Not good.


Peggy + Stan ftw!
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 18:45     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I want Don and Peggy to hook up.


No! No!


Yeah, no. Something about that would feel very gross. Incestuous or something, she seems very daughterly in relation to him.


Agreed. Not good.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 18:13     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I want Don and Peggy to hook up.


No! No!


Yeah, no. Something about that would feel very gross. Incestuous or something, she seems very daughterly in relation to him.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 18:01     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:I want Don and Peggy to hook up.


No! No!
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 17:48     Subject: Mad Men is back
I want Don and Peggy to hook up.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 17:39     Subject: Re:Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I keep waiting for them to bring back the gay art director from season 1.

Lou is so annoying. Is he a partner or just a hired guy?


Lou is not a partner. I hate him, and his stupid Mr. Rogers sweater and his Grandma glasses.


Lou is the absolute worst, completely insipid and seemingly without an artistic bone in his body. Cannot wait for him to get Draperized.


Ditto. He's set up as the really bad guy, to make everyone else (especially Don) look good.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 15:07     Subject: Mad Men is back
Don can't take a buyout unless one is offered and they're not offering one. Don crossed a line with the IPO. I think the merger ruined the IPO more than losing the Jaguar account.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 15:03     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:Joan is worried that her rising status as an "account man" and the firm's overall viability are going to be majorly threatened by Don. She is leery of how Don's typical power plays will negatively affect her budding career.

Peggy is such a sad douche this season. Is she mad at Don for disappearing and leaving her in the clutches of Lou? Is she mad because if Don comes back there is no chance she can try to take over his/Lou's position (remember the shot of her sitting in Don's chair)?


She's angry that Ted dumped her and kept his wife.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 14:59     Subject: Mad Men is back
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Anonymous wrote:Don treats the women who are important to him harshly. Witness him with Dawn at the beginning of the ep on the phone. Just about the only one he hasn't outright lashed out at when he's in a corner is Sally. I think that would be the writers signaling that he is beyond redemption if he did that. That he still manages to right his ship when dealing with her is about the only positive thing about his relationships with women.

I thought his scene with Roger was FABULOUS and sheds light on this dynamic. It had that same harsh character but was really a negotiation, and he was very very comfortable with it. He and Roger, being equals on paper but Roger having more power at the moment, could speak that way to each other safely. It made me wonder about whether he feels that women have power over him and when he snaps at them he's sort of expecting them to push back as Roger did. It's certainly what he loved about Megan at first (thinking of their fight/foreplay romps).

I must say I am not quite believing his arc in this ep. He sat in the workroom the whole workday, alone for half of it or more, doing what? Thinking what? And then took the offer?


When they offered Don those stipulations, I thought 'Tell them to Eff off Don!" and when he said yes, I was shocked. But I have been thinking...

Of course he said yes. Don needs to be back in the game AND he likes a challenge. He got there and creative was all over him, desperate to get his input. They need him there and now Don knows it. I am sure he knows he can easily overthrow Lou (or make it so miserable for Lou that they will get rid of him). THe partners think he is still crazy Don, but he isn't. He told Megan the truth: No more women, not as much drinking, so he isn't really changing that much of himself right now so these stipulations aren't bad. He has the support of creative, Roger and Pete. He will get it back from Bert and Joan.

Don is now oozing with confidence. He is about to make his comeback.

He was on his way out until Michael called him back in. I think that is when he got his confidence back. He knows they need him there.


I had the same thoughts, although I didn't think about the significance of Creative getting him up to speed, wanting his input etc. Great point. He knows he'll be able to work the system despite the limitations. It should be a great season!


I read the 'offer' for him to get back as an un-vitiation type thing, things that the partners thought he would never agree to so they could punt severing the partnership issue back to Don, make him make the move to leave. So they were hoping he'd turn it down, and on his face it looked like he knew it, and immediately decided to throw it back on them (which was awesome since they all looked kind of like, "ohhhhhh, shit" except Roger). Don went from looking super pissed to sort of bubbly when he said OK, plus he desperately needs to get back to work for his sanity/sense of "Don-ness" and it doesn't make sense to start over at another firm. That was my take on it.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 14:23     Subject: Mad Men is back
Joan is worried that her rising status as an "account man" and the firm's overall viability are going to be majorly threatened by Don. She is leery of how Don's typical power plays will negatively affect her budding career.

Peggy is such a sad douche this season. Is she mad at Don for disappearing and leaving her in the clutches of Lou? Is she mad because if Don comes back there is no chance she can try to take over his/Lou's position (remember the shot of her sitting in Don's chair)?
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 13:04     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Joan thing has to do with what happened with Jaguar, and also I think with the company going public. I can't totally remember the latter storyline but with Jaguar, Joan was upset when Don fired Jaguar -- to her, if she could live with Herb and Jaguar then so could everyone else, and she also felt it marginalized what she put herself through to keep the business.

(Someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong!)


Yeah, it was something like...Bert, Joan and Pete doing the math with all their accounts and realizing that they could go public and make a shit-ton of money. Then, Don threw away the Jaguar account without discussing it with anyone first. Joan was pissed because she had sold herself to get that very important account, and he just kind of casually destroyed it, along with their chance to go public. If I'm remembering it correctly.


ah, forgot about the going public. that makes the most sense why they all seem to wish him dead. I've even forgotten why they got into bed with those other guys, were they both bidding on the same account?


Both agencies were going after Chevy, and came to the conclusion that smaller agencies like theirs were not going to be able to get the big accounts on their own, so they merged.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 12:42     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Joan thing has to do with what happened with Jaguar, and also I think with the company going public. I can't totally remember the latter storyline but with Jaguar, Joan was upset when Don fired Jaguar -- to her, if she could live with Herb and Jaguar then so could everyone else, and she also felt it marginalized what she put herself through to keep the business.

(Someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong!)


Yeah, it was something like...Bert, Joan and Pete doing the math with all their accounts and realizing that they could go public and make a shit-ton of money. Then, Don threw away the Jaguar account without discussing it with anyone first. Joan was pissed because she had sold herself to get that very important account, and he just kind of casually destroyed it, along with their chance to go public. If I'm remembering it correctly.


ah, forgot about the going public. that makes the most sense why they all seem to wish him dead. I've even forgotten why they got into bed with those other guys, were they both bidding on the same account?
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 12:29     Subject: Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:The Joan thing has to do with what happened with Jaguar, and also I think with the company going public. I can't totally remember the latter storyline but with Jaguar, Joan was upset when Don fired Jaguar -- to her, if she could live with Herb and Jaguar then so could everyone else, and she also felt it marginalized what she put herself through to keep the business.

(Someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong!)


Yeah, it was something like...Bert, Joan and Pete doing the math with all their accounts and realizing that they could go public and make a shit-ton of money. Then, Don threw away the Jaguar account without discussing it with anyone first. Joan was pissed because she had sold herself to get that very important account, and he just kind of casually destroyed it, along with their chance to go public. If I'm remembering it correctly.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 11:58     Subject: Re:Mad Men is back
Anonymous wrote:Why does Don even want to be there? Why doesn't he take a buy-out & work on his own?


The partners wouldn't give him a buyout.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2014 11:30     Subject: Mad Men is back
I believe they said a buy-out would be too expensive, or at least that was the implication.