Anonymous
Post 04/05/2014 08:27     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Don't all former Adams go by right to oyster?
Anonymous
Post 04/05/2014 08:15     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
How many and what % is that of those who live in the former Adams area get into oyster?

http://dme.dc.gov/book/student-assignment-and-school-boundaries-review-process/policy-briefs
Anonymous
Post 04/05/2014 07:35     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:The WOTP resources are highly educated families and their kids that reap the benefits of these parents.

How could DCPS export that across the park?


It can't. That's why the conversation needs to focus on what is offered in neighborhood schools rather than test scores.
Anonymous
Post 04/05/2014 07:29     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the OP here. People are welcome to say good riddance to us, PP - but if I don't have the school I want for our kids, and can afford to move, why on earth would I stay? Childfree people will then move to our house and be happy enough there and everything will balance itself out. I like walking everywhere and being close to work, but not enough to send any of my children to a school I don't care for.

To the PP who mentioned geographical component - I saw that but the problem is we live on the Hill where our inbound school is good (Brent) but any of the other neighboring ones, not so much, so any school choice that has a decent chance of landing my DD at e.g. Tyler Traditional (or sending half of Tyler Traditional students to Brent) is not really great.


If this comes about, they will try and lure you to stay with promises of great programs and shiny new stuff. The inequality at this point is so great in our school system ( for example between the education one receives at Brent, and the one at Tyler Traditional ) that those is charge are willing to gamble that you really want to stay and will give up some certainty to do so.


In what way is the inequity so great between Tyler and Brent?
Anonymous
Post 04/05/2014 07:26     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
The WOTP resources are highly educated families and their kids that reap the benefits of these parents.

How could DCPS export that across the park?
Anonymous
Post 04/05/2014 01:14     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Glover Park poster - you fairly ask what you can do to help ETOP. I think it is fair to say you are already helping as is everyone who pays taxes in this city. Broadly speaking the tax base of the city (at least residential/ individual not business ) is centered WOTP . The city takes all the income and redistributes it proportionate to needs in other parts of the city thru DCPS and other programs. I think the conversation must be turned back to what DCPS and / or any other city agencies/programs / etc are going to do differently than they have so far to improve the actual school communities at low performing schools ...


What do you exactly mean by saying ".. do differently than they have so far to improve the actual school communities at low performing schools ...", in particular what do you mean by "community" ? Are you suggesting that DCPS should be semi-randomly assign relatively more proficient kids to the lower performing school communities?

I.e. you are saying that, having been unable to improve schools , DCPS (I mean, the public school Department of the nation capital of the United States of America!...) has now decided that that it's not their task to sort out , by leveraging on the best worldwide experiences and nation experts, how to improve DC schools, so now they are delegating this task to the relatively more proficent kids and their families , displacing them from their natural neighborhood school at walking distance from home and injecting their "human capital" into lower performing schools. And relying, for this brilliant idea on the advice of a group of semi-amateur self-declared education specialist - 21 Century - who have in turn sub-contracted part of the job to graduate students.

DCPS PROPOSAL MEANS THAT SCHOOL-AGE KIDS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB THAT DCPS HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THE PAST YEARS!!

Please, go out for a drink .


Not at all - some how you interpreted exactly what i DID NOT mean. My point was - DCPS should use the resources it already gets from WOTP to improve schools and communities all over the city WITHOUT disrupting those which are already working well
- ie not exclusively WOTP Elemwntary schools but those plus other high performing schools
In the city
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 22:17     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:What would controlled choice do on the hill other than destroy high performing schools? We do need to improve Miner, Tyler, and Payne, but this is not the way to do it.


Exactly!
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 21:04     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:What would controlled choice do on the hill other than destroy high performing schools? We do need to improve Miner, Tyler, and Payne, but this is not the way to do it.


And I can't believe I'm writing this, but if they try to impose that stupid-ass grad school bullshit from the Washington Post op-ed in order to avoid "another Brent," then I will consider a reverse discrimination lawsuit or starting a charter. Or both.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 21:02     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:Glover Park poster - you fairly ask what you can do to help ETOP. I think it is fair to say you are already helping as is everyone who pays taxes in this city. Broadly speaking the tax base of the city (at least residential/ individual not business ) is centered WOTP . The city takes all the income and redistributes it proportionate to needs in other parts of the city thru DCPS and other programs. I think the conversation must be turned back to what DCPS and / or any other city agencies/programs / etc are going to do differently than they have so far to improve the actual school communities at low performing schools ...


What do you exactly mean by saying ".. do differently than they have so far to improve the actual school communities at low performing schools ...", in particular what do you mean by "community" ? Are you suggesting that DCPS should be semi-randomly assign relatively more proficient kids to the lower performing school communities?

I.e. you are saying that, having been unable to improve schools , DCPS (I mean, the public school Department of the nation capital of the United States of America!...) has now decided that that it's not their task to sort out , by leveraging on the best worldwide experiences and nation experts, how to improve DC schools, so now they are delegating this task to the relatively more proficent kids and their families , displacing them from their natural neighborhood school at walking distance from home and injecting their "human capital" into lower performing schools. And relying, for this brilliant idea on the advice of a group of semi-amateur self-declared education specialist - 21 Century - who have in turn sub-contracted part of the job to graduate students.

DCPS PROPOSAL MEANS THAT SCHOOL-AGE KIDS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE JOB THAT DCPS HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THE PAST YEARS!!

Please, go out for a drink .
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 21:02     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
What would controlled choice do on the hill other than destroy high performing schools? We do need to improve Miner, Tyler, and Payne, but this is not the way to do it.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 20:41     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Glover Park poster - you fairly ask what you can do to help ETOP. I think it is fair to say you are already helping as is everyone who pays taxes in this city. Broadly speaking the tax base of the city (at least residential/ individual not business ) is centered WOTP . The city takes all the income and redistributes it proportionate to needs in other parts of the city thru DCPS and other programs. I think the conversation must be turned back to what DCPS and / or any other city agencies/programs / etc are going to do differently than they have so far to improve the actual school communities at low performing schools ...
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 20:21     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?


I don't like to belittle the concerns of any parent, but it's hard to avoid that with this crowd. The real issues are in other parts of the city and shipping WOTP children to those parts is not going to happen. I'm starting to think it's been a big ruse to get WOTP families concerned and involved because, unless they perceive some threat, they could not care less about what's happening EOTP.

Even if improved schools EOTP is a benefit to schools WOTP.


Wrong: it is not that we do not care, it is just that: 1) we do not know what to do (we are not educators, or educational specialists); 2) there's little we can do. We are happy and have always welcomed kids from EOTP.

Tell me what I can do from Glover Park for the EOTP schools and I promise I will do it.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 20:04     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I beg you people, please do not show up to these meetings tomorrow and Tuesday yammering on about how you'll move (or worse, sue). That is not going to help move the debate on this. Please come up with a more mature line of discussion that will actually influence the discussion. Talk about what's working and what is not. Figure out ways to address what's not working. Talk about the lack of middle schools, the failure of education campuses, the huge investments in facilities that serve very few, etc. Don't be lured by the consultant-speak or the comparisons to any other city. But most importantly don't render yourself irrelevant by crossing your arms and talking about voting with your feet. That's a threat that many are more than happy to hear from you.


Do you think that middle and upper SES families choosing to move en-masse wouldn't influence the discussion? I think they should know what may end up being a logical result to some of the proposals they are making.


Just give your opinion on the scenarios without the threats. I promise you it will be taken as arrogance and dismissed. They are counting on some people leaving but care more about justice and educational equity. Simple register your opinion on their proposals.


Not the PP, but I don't think the "we'll leave" stance will be dismissed for arrogant immaturity, but rather because not much is going to change for WOTP schools. Maybe Eaton/Hearst boundaries will shift, maybe Eaton will feed Hardy but everyone else will still have their in-boundary or proximity preferences left intact.

I don't like to belittle the concerns of any parent, but it's hard to avoid that with this crowd. The real issues are in other parts of the city and shipping WOTP children to those parts is not going to happen. I'm starting to think it's been a big ruse to get WOTP families concerned and involved because, unless they perceive some threat, they could not care less about what's happening EOTP.

Even if improved schools EOTP is a benefit to schools WOTP.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 20:00     Subject: Re:What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choi
I agree the schools do not sit on magic soil. Th a t is not what makes them work it is the neighborhood investment. I will move I hope there are gay couples who want a 4 bedroom in Kent. Remember as the neighborhood families leave so does all there funding, investment and high performing children.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2014 19:41     Subject: What are the odds of them eliminating neighborhood elementary schools in favor of controlled choice?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I beg you people, please do not show up to these meetings tomorrow and Tuesday yammering on about how you'll move (or worse, sue). That is not going to help move the debate on this. Please come up with a more mature line of discussion that will actually influence the discussion. Talk about what's working and what is not. Figure out ways to address what's not working. Talk about the lack of middle schools, the failure of education campuses, the huge investments in facilities that serve very few, etc. Don't be lured by the consultant-speak or the comparisons to any other city. But most importantly don't render yourself irrelevant by crossing your arms and talking about voting with your feet. That's a threat that many are more than happy to hear from you.


Do you think that middle and upper SES families choosing to move en-masse wouldn't influence the discussion? I think they should know what may end up being a logical result to some of the proposals they are making.


Just give your opinion on the scenarios without the threats. I promise you it will be taken as arrogance and dismissed. They are counting on some people leaving but care more about justice and educational equity. Simple register your opinion on their proposals.


Seems to me that they are the arrogant ones if they take lightly the consequences of families willing to leave the city or go private. I don't see how families who are invested in neighborhood schools leaving would create better educational outcomes for those who are left. Schools have improved when more IB families enroll, not less.